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drworry · 01-11-2008, 06:22 AM

Hi all
I have a Dillon SDA, and have just starting reloading for 45 ACP (I had been doing 38 and 45LC). I am using Win 231, and win large pistol primers. I am surprised to find that I am having a devil of a time with failure to extract - either stovepipes or the slide notm cycling fully back.

The pistol: Springfield XD 45 5" tactical;
The bullet: Rainier 200 g round nose (the semi - covered lead safe stuff)
The load: Win 231, 5.3 gr
OAL: .123 (tried .126 - thought might be better less - not)
crimp: moderate taper, .473 or so at the neck after crimp

Accuracy is fine. I'm getting to the end of the recommended powder load for this bullet and carttidge...some say 5.5 or 5.6)

Any ideas?

Thanks!

KeithB · 01-11-2008, 06:26 AM

are you using lead SWC bullets? my XD45 doesn't like those. but is fine with FMJ roundnose

happygunner · 01-11-2008, 06:34 AM

Are you using a full length resizing die?

zac07 · 01-11-2008, 06:38 AM

Can you cycle the new round in fairly easy ? If you take the barrel out of the gun and drop the round in the chaamber does it fully seat on its own or do you have to push it in ?

drworry · 01-11-2008, 06:08 PM

1. is a full size risizing die - proprietary for dillon
2.The bullet type is roundnose, the rainier lead free (essentially lead with a thin coating on it)
3. The rounds cycle in fine - placing one in he breech seats in the same way as factory hardball. They both stick out a bit, but go in with some pressure. That was one of the first things I thought of, but i figured if factory hardball looks the same, then it wass probably OK.

Thanks

Tard · 01-11-2008, 06:18 PM

I bet you are using nickel plated brass... right?

Archer1945 · 01-11-2008, 07:48 PM

You don't say how often this is happening but since you say accuracy is good I would assume not to often. It sounds as if you might be getting some light loads which are not giving enough force to the slide for it to cycle correctly.

Not sure what you mean when you say the Ranier bullets are "semi-covered" because all the ones I have are totally copper-plate with no exposed lead.

Btw, my load with both 200gr and 230gr Raniers is 7.8 - 8.0 grains of AA#5, which both my 4" and 5" Compacts just love. In fact I suspect if I put the 4" in a Ransome Rest it would probably put all the 230gr bullets into one jagged hole at 25 yards I could probably cover with my hand. I was amazed at how it likes that load and it is brand new with less than 150 rounds through it.

catamount · 01-11-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by drworry

placing one in he breech seats in the same way as factory hardball. They both stick out a bit, but go in with some pressure. That was one of the first things I thought of, but i figured if factory hardball looks the same, then it wass probably OK.

Does the round drop in easier if you seat the bullet a little deeper? All my reloads have always dropped in the barrel easily without pressure. Where did you get the COAL data? Does that bullet have a ridge?

I would try different seating depths. I know this doesn't help much, but I think some XDs simply won't feed some bullets, especially short bullets, that other guns will feed just fine.

I went round and round with the same problem trying to get my XD to feed lead semi-wadcutters which feed great in my 1911 at low power. I increased charges until maximum and never did get them to work in the XD. I really wanted to get them to work because I had 700-800 of them on hand. But in the end I gave up!

rgeliske · 01-12-2008, 08:11 AM

I have shot that same bullet in my XD with no problems. The load is really on the light side and the OAL should be about 1.200. If you intend to stay with that powder charge you should probably get a lighter recoil spring say 14#-16#. Personally I find that TiteGroup works better for light loads.

drworry · 01-12-2008, 06:22 PM

Thanks all

Raniers are electroplated with copper, so that is what i meant by "semi jacketed" - the electroplating is enough to decrease lead fouling, but is not nearly as thick as FMJ.

To: Archer - thanks for that data - using the same logic, you are running a hotter load than I am, I think although we are using different powders. The loads I am using never allow complete extraction. I tried crimping more, but I don't really think it helped.

I think that the answer then has to be more powder. Maybe they have to be treated more like jacketed than lead.

Thanks!

01-11-2008, 06:22 AM	#1
drworry XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	help with reloads Hi all I have a Dillon SDA, and have just starting reloading for 45 ACP (I had been doing 38 and 45LC). I am using Win 231, and win large pistol primers. I am surprised to find that I am having a devil of a time with failure to extract - either stovepipes or the slide notm cycling fully back. The pistol: Springfield XD 45 5" tactical; The bullet: Rainier 200 g round nose (the semi - covered lead safe stuff) The load: Win 231, 5.3 gr OAL: .123 (tried .126 - thought might be better less - not) crimp: moderate taper, .473 or so at the neck after crimp Accuracy is fine. I'm getting to the end of the recommended powder load for this bullet and carttidge...some say 5.5 or 5.6) Any ideas? Thanks!

01-11-2008, 06:34 AM	#3
happygunner XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,132	Full length? Are you using a full length resizing die?

01-11-2008, 06:18 PM	#6
Tard XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Machias, WA Posts: 3,014	I bet you are using nickel plated brass... right? __________________ The good times have been used up.

01-12-2008, 08:11 AM	#9
rgeliske XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,678	I have shot that same bullet in my XD with no problems. The load is really on the light side and the OAL should be about 1.200. If you intend to stay with that powder charge you should probably get a lighter recoil spring say 14#-16#. Personally I find that TiteGroup works better for light loads. __________________ Sig P220, Taurus PT1911, Browning HiPower 9mm, CZ75, CZ75 P01, S&W Model 60 357, Savage 9317 BTVS .17, Browning Buckmark, Taurus Gaucho 357 (pair), Taurus Gaucho 45LC (pair), Uberti 1873 Saddle Rifle 357, Uberti 1873 45 LC Carbine, TTN 12 Gauge Double, Ruger Bisley Vaquero 357 (pair), Springfield XD9SC, XD45 Service, XD45 Compact Tactical, Glock G35, Taurus 617 357

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01-11-2008, 06:26 AM	#2
KeithB XDTalk Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 60	are you using lead SWC bullets? my XD45 doesn't like those. but is fine with FMJ roundnose

01-11-2008, 06:38 AM	#4
zac07 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: West Texas Posts: 1,070	Can you cycle the new round in fairly easy ? If you take the barrel out of the gun and drop the round in the chaamber does it fully seat on its own or do you have to push it in ?

01-11-2008, 06:08 PM	#5
drworry XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	1. is a full size risizing die - proprietary for dillon 2.The bullet type is roundnose, the rainier lead free (essentially lead with a thin coating on it) 3. The rounds cycle in fine - placing one in he breech seats in the same way as factory hardball. They both stick out a bit, but go in with some pressure. That was one of the first things I thought of, but i figured if factory hardball looks the same, then it wass probably OK. Thanks

01-11-2008, 07:48 PM	#7
Archer1945 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Eastern MO Posts: 291	You don't say how often this is happening but since you say accuracy is good I would assume not to often. It sounds as if you might be getting some light loads which are not giving enough force to the slide for it to cycle correctly. Not sure what you mean when you say the Ranier bullets are "semi-covered" because all the ones I have are totally copper-plate with no exposed lead. Btw, my load with both 200gr and 230gr Raniers is 7.8 - 8.0 grains of AA#5, which both my 4" and 5" Compacts just love. In fact I suspect if I put the 4" in a Ransome Rest it would probably put all the 230gr bullets into one jagged hole at 25 yards I could probably cover with my hand. I was amazed at how it likes that load and it is brand new with less than 150 rounds through it.

01-12-2008, 06:22 PM	#10
drworry XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7	Thanks all Raniers are electroplated with copper, so that is what i meant by "semi jacketed" - the electroplating is enough to decrease lead fouling, but is not nearly as thick as FMJ. To: Archer - thanks for that data - using the same logic, you are running a hotter load than I am, I think although we are using different powders. The loads I am using never allow complete extraction. I tried crimping more, but I don't really think it helped. I think that the answer then has to be more powder. Maybe they have to be treated more like jacketed than lead. Thanks!