Shot shells

[Bill in San Jose]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

I tryed them in my XD Service only 4 rounds but no probs......I thought it would be great home defense loads with no worry of over penetration(we have small children).I have one 13 rounder loaded at home with 6 being these ...The rest Ranger's +P's...

You're giving some scumbag who wants to hurt you and your family, or worse, more of the benefit of the doubt than he'll ever considering giving you.

If you're concerned about passthroughs and your family, I'd suggest a round like HydraShock which is supposed to be safer on sheetrock pass-throughs, and plan your shooting "lane".

The last thing you want is for the scumbag to get a round of birdshot in the chest, and return fire at your muzzle blast- and then he's a pissed-off scumbag and your wife and kids are his for his beckoning. Unless you're armored your phone line from the outside of the house to the switch, consider that your phone will be non-operational to call for help to the police.

If you want a reminder of how "devastating" a round of birdshot is, remember how the Vice President shot his hunting partner at close range with a 28 gauge shotgun, in the face, and the guy walked into and out of the ER.



When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe.
- Luke 11:21

[Mad Geek]

According to CCI these 45 AUTO Shotshells will work pretty well as long as the barrel isn't ported/vented recoil conpensated. Might not be a bad round for varmint/snake country.

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/ballis...px?loadNo=3567

[jacob.sebens]

Originally Posted by robinsre

CCI Shotshells have that flattened nose on them..in which case I'd guess it would be a catch 22


Too heavy a spring they won't cycle the slide.

Too light a spring they won't feed properly.

The ones I had in 9mm didn't have a flattened nose...although I have seen flat-nosed ones in "revolver calibers" (.38Special).

[wot_racing]

I have some of the CCI Shot Shells in 45 and they cycled my colt commander perfectly and my RIA just fine..

The 9mm ones did fine in my beretta 92g..

The 22 are hit and miss.. They will cycle my Jennings J22 all day long, but it has a lot of work done to it.. They will cycle my Marlin 60 MOST of the time, but some times it wont cycle them at all..

[CTrider XD]

Originally Posted by spamlovr

I have some shotshells in .45 ACP.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...594&t=11082005
I haven't had the chance to use them yet.

Thanks for the info. on MidWay USA. I read the reviews on 45ACP shot shells and they are positive. Oh B.T.W. 1100 fps of #9 shot isn't to shabby. The review said they are mostly good for snakes and such. Home defense? Might work but it depends on how determined the bad guy is. But Firing several rounds his way might be enough to discourage anybody.

[spamlovr]

Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose

You're giving some scumbag who wants to hurt you and your family, or worse, more of the benefit of the doubt than he'll ever considering giving you.

Originally Posted by CTrider XD

Home defense? Might work but it depends on how determined the bad guy is. But Firing several rounds his way might be enough to discourage anybody.

This question was covered when I went through police academy in 1992. The response was "If you are gonna use a deadly weapon, put deadly ammo in it. Save bird shot for little birdies." What you choose to use is tottlly up to you, but if I'm gonna pull the trigger on someone that I've told I'm armed and if he doesn't leave me and mine alone right effin' now, I'm using bullets designed to stop an attack, not to stop mice with.

Again, purely my opinion, YMMV.

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by spamlovr

This question was covered when I went through police academy in 1992. The response was "If you are gonna use a deadly weapon, put deadly ammo in it. Save bird shot for little birdies." What you choose to use is tottlly up to you, but if I'm gonna pull the trigger on someone that I've told I'm armed and if he doesn't leave me and mine alone right effin' now, I'm using bullets designed to stop an attack, not to stop mice with.

Again, purely my opinion, YMMV.

+1

I have to agree with this.

When it all comes down to it, by the time I pull the trigger on someone they've already made the decision that the confrontation has turned deadly.

I may not intend to kill them, but you can bet I'm going to be doing the most tissue damage possible to avoid ANY possible harm to myself.

[arizona98tj]

I am bringing this up from some 30 years ago.....so the details may be slightly in error. The regular disclaimer....do not attempt this without the proper equipment....etc. all apply here.

If I remember correctly, back in the mid 70s, we hand loaded .45 ACP shot shells and they cycled my then new Mk4 Series 70 just fine.

I believe RCBS made the die set (not sure if they still do). We used 30-06 or .308 brass that was cut down with a hack saw using the first sizing die. From there, the brass was cleaned up and de-burred. It was then de-primed, primed, and the power charge added. From there, a cut down plastic .410 shot shell cup was placed over the powder charge and #9 shot was added. The shot was kept in place with an inverted .41 caliber gas check once the case was pressed into the last die which necked the case down and crimped the end enough to retain the gas check. The end result.....a long brass cartridge with no notable bullet loaded in it....with kind of a semi-wadcutter looking "profile".

I'm pretty sure I have some floating around in one of my ammo boxes. I'll see if I can find a couple and snap a photo or two.

We never bought loaded handgun shot shells back then....everything was hand loaded. Ever try three rounds of buck shot in a Speer.....oops....that's another story all together.

[RPD20]

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

I tryed them in my XD Service only 4 rounds but no probs......I thought it would be great home defense loads with no worry of over penetration(we have small children).I have one 13 rounder loaded at home with 6 being these ...The rest Ranger's +P's...

Why? But your not worried about the Rangers? Do you know that these shot shells are not designed to be used as self defense ammo? Do yourself and your family a favor if your so worried about overpenetration. Get yourself some Glasser Safety Slugs.

[Dark Knight]

Done.. I have Glasers now thanks...