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Noah Mercy · 09-08-2007, 09:31 AM

Hollowpoints have a problem occasionally...the cavity gets filled with clothing fibers and the bullet fails to expand and acts like an FMJ. 9mms have a very "pointy" bullet. When they fail to expand they leave a very small hole and tend to push tissue and veins/arteries aside rather than cut or tear them.

I live in a state where we have cold weather. If you look at videos of robberies, you will also see that the BGs often wear coats or jackets regardless of the weather. So the odds of me having to shoot through heavy clothing in the event of a self-defense shooting situation are high. I carry a 45 against the possibility that I will fail to get expansion. The blunt, wide 45 bullet will do more damage as a solid than a 9 or 40.

Another important consideration is muzzle flash. Most self-defense shootings take place in low-light situations and muzzle flash can be a critical tactical component. Less is better and the 45 has the least of any of the usual carry cartridges.

Bilt4Comfort · 09-08-2007, 09:35 AM

I carry my XD45C for concealment, my XD40SC for deep concealment, and my S&W 642 as a BUG occasionally. I don't feel under powered or out gunned with any of the three.

Big holes are good, deep holes may in fact be better.
Hopefully whatever you're carrying will achieve one or the other, preferably both.

ichy_trigger · 09-08-2007, 09:44 AM

A .22 will do with a well placed shot but a .45 leaves more room for error

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I dont carry the XD though, I carry a 1911.

Hemidart · 09-08-2007, 10:49 AM

Well I carry a 45 because that was what I grew up with. My Dad was a big fan and I picked it up from him. But I also carry a 9mm at times.

But as for the 9mm vs 45.....All I have to say is that anyone that thinks the 45 is so much better then the 9mm that it's not even a contest...has their head pushed up in their arse. Ball ammo aside, a 9mm with modern defense ammo can stand side by side with any 45.

mrtoadzwildride · 09-08-2007, 11:09 AM

Two words: Bang Flop

fredj338 · 09-08-2007, 11:10 AM

IF a JHP of any service round, from 9mm up, expands then there is little diff. between calibers. I like to plan for the bullet failure, & as has been said, the 45 will always be at least 45cal. The 9mm guys like to rant about mag. cap but in states like Kalif., I'm limited to 10, might as well be the biggest 10 I can carry.

TacBlack · 09-08-2007, 11:42 AM

Well, I was posting this as humor.

The other line I like is "When seconds count the police are just minutes away."

45 ACP is good for personnel defense, but out in the woods with wild animals, the 44 mag, 454 Casull, and the 50 cal. Smith & Wesson stuff is designed to stop animals. So 45 ACP is no where near "the biggest."

But it's a good caliber for defense against humans. I do suscribe to the large, heavy, big diameter bullet efficacy theory.

**Liquid Rhino** · 09-08-2007, 12:37 PM

IMO, I don't think there's really a 'better' option when dealing with the 9/45 debate. Both have their advantages as well as drawbacks, and both are combat-proven badass rounds.

I carry a 45 simply because it's the only firearm I own and could care less about 'biggest round'. I just chose it after testing a a few guns for overall comfort & firing characteristics first and figured - if I only had the cash for one, which one would I walk out with today? When I get the chance, I certainly intend to add a nice 9 to the stack and alternate between the 2 for CCW.

MikeinAZ · 09-08-2007, 01:07 PM

It's hard for me to talk about this topic without smiling.

Anyone remember the old movie with Jackie Gleason in it. I think it was cannon ball run or something similar. Anyway, Jackie Gleason and his son are law enforcement. Jackie turns to his son and tells the son to give him his weapon because Jackie is going to shoot at (Burt Reynolds?). Anyway, Jackie takes aim and.....click. Jackie realizes that the gun does not have bullets in it. Jackie asks his son why there are no bulltes. The son replies, "but daddy, it get too heavy when I put bullets in it."

... back to your regular programing.

LUVMYSIGP225 · 09-08-2007, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeinAZ

It's hard for me to talk about this topic without smiling.

Anyone remember the old movie with Jackie Gleason in it. I think it was cannon ball run or something similar. Anyway, Jackie Gleason and his son are law enforcement. Jackie turns to his son and tells the son to give him his weapon because Jackie is going to shoot at (Burt Reynolds?). Anyway, Jackie takes aim and.....click. Jackie realizes that the gun does not have bullets in it. Jackie asks his son why there are no bulltes. The son replies, "but daddy, it get too heavy when I put bullets in it."

... back to your regular programing.

Smokey and the Bandit? Maybe?

09-08-2007, 09:31 AM	#11
Noah Mercy XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sheridan, Wyoming Posts: 276	Hollowpoints have a problem occasionally...the cavity gets filled with clothing fibers and the bullet fails to expand and acts like an FMJ. 9mms have a very "pointy" bullet. When they fail to expand they leave a very small hole and tend to push tissue and veins/arteries aside rather than cut or tear them. I live in a state where we have cold weather. If you look at videos of robberies, you will also see that the BGs often wear coats or jackets regardless of the weather. So the odds of me having to shoot through heavy clothing in the event of a self-defense shooting situation are high. I carry a 45 against the possibility that I will fail to get expansion. The blunt, wide 45 bullet will do more damage as a solid than a 9 or 40. Another important consideration is muzzle flash. Most self-defense shootings take place in low-light situations and muzzle flash can be a critical tactical component. Less is better and the 45 has the least of any of the usual carry cartridges. __________________ I may be fat, hairy, and ugly...BUT AT LEAST I SMELL BAD!

09-08-2007, 09:35 AM	#12
Bilt4Comfort XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Desert Southwest Posts: 326	I carry my XD45C for concealment, my XD40SC for deep concealment, and my S&W 642 as a BUG occasionally. I don't feel under powered or out gunned with any of the three. Big holes are good, deep holes may in fact be better. Hopefully whatever you're carrying will achieve one or the other, preferably both. __________________ Rem870Tac SA XD40 SC Taurus M608 Henry.22 You cannot legislate morality, and banning inanimate objects will never substitute for personal responsibility. Banning and limiting things merely makes them profitable to criminals via laws of supply and demand.

09-08-2007, 09:44 AM	#13
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,101	A .22 will do with a well placed shot but a .45 leaves more room for error . I dont carry the XD though, I carry a 1911. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

09-08-2007, 11:42 AM	#17
TacBlack XDTalk Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 92	Well, I was posting this as humor. The other line I like is "When seconds count the police are just minutes away." 45 ACP is good for personnel defense, but out in the woods with wild animals, the 44 mag, 454 Casull, and the 50 cal. Smith & Wesson stuff is designed to stop animals. So 45 ACP is no where near "the biggest." But it's a good caliber for defense against humans. I do suscribe to the large, heavy, big diameter bullet efficacy theory. __________________ NRA Distinguished Life Member

09-08-2007, 12:37 PM	#18
Liquid Rhino XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: three\|zero\|five Posts: 1,037	IMO, I don't think there's really a 'better' option when dealing with the 9/45 debate. Both have their advantages as well as drawbacks, and both are combat-proven badass rounds. I carry a 45 simply because it's the only firearm I own and could care less about 'biggest round'. I just chose it after testing a a few guns for overall comfort & firing characteristics first and figured - if I only had the cash for one, which one would I walk out with today? When I get the chance, I certainly intend to add a nice 9 to the stack and alternate between the 2 for CCW. __________________ WARNING! There ain't no more continues, dog...

09-08-2007, 10:49 AM	#14
Hemidart XDTalk Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 90	Well I carry a 45 because that was what I grew up with. My Dad was a big fan and I picked it up from him. But I also carry a 9mm at times. But as for the 9mm vs 45.....All I have to say is that anyone that thinks the 45 is so much better then the 9mm that it's not even a contest...has their head pushed up in their arse. Ball ammo aside, a 9mm with modern defense ammo can stand side by side with any 45.

09-08-2007, 11:09 AM	#15
mrtoadzwildride XDTalk Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 44	Two words: Bang Flop

09-08-2007, 11:10 AM	#16
fredj338 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,346	IF a JHP of any service round, from 9mm up, expands then there is little diff. between calibers. I like to plan for the bullet failure, & as has been said, the 45 will always be at least 45cal. The 9mm guys like to rant about mag. cap but in states like Kalif., I'm limited to 10, might as well be the biggest 10 I can carry.

09-08-2007, 01:07 PM	#19
MikeinAZ XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 119	It's hard for me to talk about this topic without smiling. Anyone remember the old movie with Jackie Gleason in it. I think it was cannon ball run or something similar. Anyway, Jackie Gleason and his son are law enforcement. Jackie turns to his son and tells the son to give him his weapon because Jackie is going to shoot at (Burt Reynolds?). Anyway, Jackie takes aim and.....click. Jackie realizes that the gun does not have bullets in it. Jackie asks his son why there are no bulltes. The son replies, "but daddy, it get too heavy when I put bullets in it." ... back to your regular programing.

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