Is caliber important ?

[aphexafx]

Originally Posted by willbird

I agree, the wimpy folks that do not shoot much SHOULD stick to small calibers.


Bill

Really? Because my friend, who weighs probably ~110 pounds, and is a girl, did bloody well with my 45's today, and she wasn't much interested in my 9mm. It was her first time shooting, too.

[jeepinbanditrider]

I forgot to bring up the HP issue. If I was restricted to using FMJ ammo (such as the military is though our MPs on base carry HPs) I would go with a larger caliber (I guess NJ qualifies for this theory as well).

With us being able to select from a wide variety of hollow point ammo that functions and expands well and reliably I think that having a "the biggest caliber you can get" mindset isn't really needed or necessary. Think about how much more you can pratice when your ammo is half the cost of .45

[ichy_trigger]

Originally Posted by willbird

I agree, the wimpy folks that do not shoot much SHOULD stick to small calibers.


Bill

That statement did nothing to contribute to this thread, other than to show yourself as a true newbie who is starting of with confrontational posts.

[mrtoadzwildride]

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. The caliber debate will go on as long as we are allowed to openly purchase and legally carry guns in this country. Everybody has made some valid points. I would like to point out the military using FMJ ammo in the M-16 and 9mm if designed to wound the enemy as it takes more peopole to aid a fallen comrade than to leave a dead body on the ground. I mean honestly, if I were to have a .223 and require killing somebody in combat a 50gr v-max would cause far more damage than a 50gr FMJ.

I don't think the .460xvr would be a bad choice if your assailant was wearing body armor. Each weapon and caliber has it's own purpose. So I will stick to my original statement that you should shoot the biggest gun you can shoot well and conceal!

[Hemidart]

Originally Posted by jeepinbanditrider

I forgot to bring up the HP issue. If I was restricted to using FMJ ammo (such as the military is though our MPs on base carry HPs) I would go with a larger caliber (I guess NJ qualifies for this theory as well).

With us being able to select from a wide variety of hollow point ammo that functions and expands well and reliably I think that having a "the biggest caliber you can get" mindset isn't really needed or necessary. Think about how much more you can pratice when your ammo is half the cost of .45

I totally agree...

One thing that I find funny is that people always mention FMJ as a weakness of the 9mm. FMJ is not the weakness of the 9mm but of the person that loaded it in their defensive weapon. I would only shoot FMJ at the range since it's cheap and always has a tendency to take a paper target down with one shot.

For the people that think the 9mm is a weak arse round. What if you had a choice...You would take a center chest hit with a Ranger 9mm or a 45....which one would you rather get hit with?

[jeepinbanditrider]

I don't buy the "designed to wound" argument but that's just me.

I have yet to find ANY military refrence material pointing to this fact other than "Sgt. told me this" at Marine Combat Training.

We use FMJ because like the dopes we are we are the only ones that seem to follow the international laws of war.

Infact since the people we are fighting now are not uniformed members of a standing Army those rules shouldn't even apply in this fight.

[lobster_roboto]

Originally Posted by TexicanKid

Here's a chart:

.22 Cal Accuracy very important, must hit vitals
9mm Accuracy somewhat important, should hit torso
.45ACP Accuracy still important, but less so than above, try to hit limbs or torso
10 Gauge Shotgun Accuracy mildly important, any hit is good
16inch battleship shell Accuracy not too important, try to be within 75 yards of target

So, the above gives you a picture that accuracy is a lot, but not everything. Power has its place as well. As the late Jeff Cooper used to say, "Accuracy, Speed, Power". They all go together.

Nuclear warhead Accuracy not important at all, try to hit the same town or province of target

One thing I learned... When I first started on the .45 I was great as far as accuracy but my follow up shots suffer... They still kind of do but it's much better. One day it may be feasible that you will have to fire more than one accurate round quickly to stop a threat.

[mrtoadzwildride]

You're right, since we aren't fighting a standing army those rules don't apply... when we don't use our standing army. Blackwater has no geneva conventions coverage period. But, they aren't a "standing army" either. Anyway, we are WAY of track. Caliber does matter in effectiveness. Yes, you can kill somebody with a .22 or with a howitzer. However, the howitzer is more effective.

The caliber debate will never end. I prefer .45acp for the same reason I carry tanto point knives, I like it. I am willing to bet my life on my weapons. That is all that matters in the end.

[XD45inAZ]

Originally Posted by willbird

"is caliber important"...

Bill

It is to me. Now that I have started shooting .45 I will never go back.

[willbird]

That statement did nothing to contribute to this thread, other than to show yourself as a true newbie who is starting of with confrontational posts.

Actually..............I quoted a humorous anecdote(in the first post of the thread), caliber is VERY important, even if your choice is 9x18 over 10mm for some reason. THATS why what the guy said is funny.

Honestly what OTHER factor in picking a handgun is MORE important ??

Now if you don't like what I posted to the THREAD I STARTED, please ignore the thread . Ripping on a guy for posting something you do not approve to a thread that he started himself does nothing but show yourself to be a wiener with a chip on his shoulder.

I'll admit to carrying a 9mm when I feel like carrying a small gun..........I personally do not care for 9mm in a big huge gun to achieve a higher round count in the gun.

9x19 +p in a gun the size of a Keltec p11 puts out a lot of horsepower for that size/weight of gun. That said I'd prefer to be able to carry a LARGE gun in a larger caliber loaded with +p more often .

AND on another note, we ARE on the xd-45 section of the board, so caliber challenged folks ought to expect a little "size DOES matter" ribbing here. maybe reading posts in the "XD's with little holes in the end of the bbl" section would leave you with a warmer happier feeling ??





Bill