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perkelp · 08-02-2007, 10:10 PM

Installed in my XD Compact .45 by Scott Springer. I wanted a little more accuracy than standard and Scott does absolutely fantastic work for a reasonable price with a terrific turn time.

Got mine back in less than a week. He had hand fitted the barrel. Accuracy improved a little - not as much as I had hoped, but it wasn't bad to start with.

However, after around 900 rounds I went shooting yesterday and the weapon completely locked up tighter than a gnat's tuchas. Finally got it apart (not easy, I might add) to find the bottom lug had completely sheared off! Sheared off just below the bottom of the chamber. Guys at the range think they saw a stress crack where it had broken off.

Called Scott and he said send it back; on its way via Fedex today. I'm sure he'll make it right, but dayum! He said this was the first problem he'd ever heard of with a Bar-sto.

For what it's worth, the only ammunition this weapon has ever seen has been factory 230 grain WWB or lately, Blazer Brass, with Winchester Ranger RA45T used (feeding flawlessly) as a defensive round. Approx 2K rounds total. I'll keep everyone posted. Weapon should be in Scott's hands by 1030 tomorrow.

Paul

**HPD SRT** · 08-02-2007, 10:41 PM

I am contemplating doing the exact same thing. I had scott trick out my 45 tac and now I'm up in the air between Barsto and Pistol Gears. I'm sure Barsto is better but who really knows, Scott I guess.

fredj338 · 08-03-2007, 07:23 AM

Wow, BarSto will make it right. FWIW, I have BarSto bbls. in (2) 1911s & a BHP. They are very accurate & not finicky w/ any ammo. Good luck w/ that.

perkelp · 08-15-2007, 11:04 PM

Well, Scott came through once again. Talk about fantastic customer service!

I Fedex'd the pistol to him and he got it on a Friday. He had the barrel fitted and ready to go by Monday. I had asked him to test fire the pistol using my carry ammo (Ranger RA45T) just to make sure it would feed ok (fed fine with both the original barrel and the first Bar-Sto) and he looked all over Portland trying to find some. After a few days, I told him to blow that off and just send the pistol back.

He went out of his way to get it to Fedex for overnight return.

Shot it today; did over 200 rounds with both Blazer Brass and my carry ammo. Did have an issue with ftf using my original 10 round magazine that came with the pistol when new and using ball ammo. Switched to a different mag and no further problem. Called Springfield when I got home and they are replacing the magazine at no charge. Had to re-tweak the sights a little. Accuracy is very good. Rounds through the same hole at 7 yards and under 2" at 15 yards if I do my part, which I don't always do!!

Scott said he was shipping the original Bar-sto back to them for examination. Told me that he cut a relief a little deeper (iirc it's on the top of the chamber, but I could be mistaken) and that this new relief was being done at the factory as well. Scott told me that this was the first time he'd ever had a problem with a Bar-sto and this was the first time I'd heard of a Bar-sto failure also. Have one in a Champion Mil-Spec 1911 project I did and you could pound nails with that thing. I'd be really interested to hear what Bar-sto determines as the cause of the failure.

Let me tell you, I have Scott's trigger job on this pistol and everyone who has shot it has not wanted to give it back to me.

Fantastic customer service and after the fact support. Wish more people were like him. I know there's another forum vendor with a great reputation but I gotta tell you - you won't go wrong with Springer Precision.

Paul

aphexafx · 08-15-2007, 11:10 PM

Interesting story! Springer sounds like a good guy with a great shop.

Mercmar · 08-16-2007, 03:46 AM

Can't imagine an XD application where a Bar-Sto (and they DO make excellent barrels) would make any difference. You gonna be shooting bullseye with that XD?

slugger6 · 08-16-2007, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercmar

Can't imagine an XD application where a Bar-Sto (and they DO make excellent barrels) would make any difference. You gonna be shooting bullseye with that XD?

You are kidding...right? I have a fitted Bar-Sto match barrel in my XD9 Tactical which I shoot in IDPA and USPSA. The pistol is easily twice as accurate as it was with the stock barrel. Who wouldn't like that?

Scott Springer did the work and I would definitely recommend him to anyone considering enhancing the performance of their XDs. He is an exceptionally talented gunsmith and a great guy.

Mercmar · 08-16-2007, 04:27 PM

No, I'm not kidding. Next time David Sevigny's shooting his stock Glock in a match, stand up and show him what that Bar-Sto will do! "Twice as accurate?" That's truly absurd.

slugger6 · 08-16-2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercmar

No, I'm not kidding. Next time David Sevigny's shooting his stock Glock in a match, stand up and show him what that Bar-Sto will do! "Twice as accurate?" That's truly absurd.

Certainly you are entitled to your opinion. I assume, of course, that you have personally fired the Bar-Sto and aren't simply making "armchair quarterback" comments. Right after I take on Dave Sevigny I think I'll go up against Michael Jordan in a little one-on-one. What a lame analogy!

Mercmar · 08-17-2007, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slugger6

Certainly you are entitled to your opinion. I assume, of course, that you have personally fired the Bar-Sto and aren't simply making "armchair quarterback" comments. Right after I take on Dave Sevigny I think I'll go up against Michael Jordan in a little one-on-one. What a lame analogy!

Wasn't intended to be a serious analogy, for Pete's sake! I have not fired your XD with your "expertly installed" Bar-Sto barrel. However, I have fired tens of thousands of rounds through match barrels over the years. It is my opinion, and nothing more, that nobody likely to have time to play in this forum would truly benefit from having a Bar-Sto or any other aftermarket barrel installed in his/her XD, other than perhaps benefiting from the placebo effect. Now, if, coincidentally, you had one of Springer's excellent trigger jobs done while he was expertly fitting that Bar-Sto barrel, then I'd bet even ol' Sherlock himself could figure out where the increased accuracy came from.

Not likely that you're going to agree, your having dropped serious coin on a superfluous barrel!

08-02-2007, 10:10 PM	#1
perkelp XDTalk Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 61	Bar-sto match grade barrel... Installed in my XD Compact .45 by Scott Springer. I wanted a little more accuracy than standard and Scott does absolutely fantastic work for a reasonable price with a terrific turn time. Got mine back in less than a week. He had hand fitted the barrel. Accuracy improved a little - not as much as I had hoped, but it wasn't bad to start with. However, after around 900 rounds I went shooting yesterday and the weapon completely locked up tighter than a gnat's tuchas. Finally got it apart (not easy, I might add) to find the bottom lug had completely sheared off! Sheared off just below the bottom of the chamber. Guys at the range think they saw a stress crack where it had broken off. Called Scott and he said send it back; on its way via Fedex today. I'm sure he'll make it right, but dayum! He said this was the first problem he'd ever heard of with a Bar-sto. For what it's worth, the only ammunition this weapon has ever seen has been factory 230 grain WWB or lately, Blazer Brass, with Winchester Ranger RA45T used (feeding flawlessly) as a defensive round. Approx 2K rounds total. I'll keep everyone posted. Weapon should be in Scott's hands by 1030 tomorrow. Paul

08-02-2007, 10:41 PM	#2
HPD SRT XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Southeastern WA Posts: 1,363	I am contemplating doing the exact same thing. I had scott trick out my 45 tac and now I'm up in the air between Barsto and Pistol Gears. I'm sure Barsto is better but who really knows, Scott I guess. __________________ My Album SA XD-45 Tactical---Springerized! SA XD-45 Compact Model 1 EM-4 CAR Winchester Model 70 .308 Remington 870 Express Magnum USPSA: A-57358 PISTOLGEAR SpringerPrecision

08-15-2007, 11:10 PM	#5
aphexafx XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 671	Interesting story! Springer sounds like a good guy with a great shop. __________________ Bleh.

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08-03-2007, 07:23 AM	#3
fredj338 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,224	Wow, BarSto will make it right. FWIW, I have BarSto bbls. in (2) 1911s & a BHP. They are very accurate & not finicky w/ any ammo. Good luck w/ that.

08-15-2007, 11:04 PM	#4
perkelp XDTalk Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 61	Well, Scott came through once again. Talk about fantastic customer service! I Fedex'd the pistol to him and he got it on a Friday. He had the barrel fitted and ready to go by Monday. I had asked him to test fire the pistol using my carry ammo (Ranger RA45T) just to make sure it would feed ok (fed fine with both the original barrel and the first Bar-Sto) and he looked all over Portland trying to find some. After a few days, I told him to blow that off and just send the pistol back. He went out of his way to get it to Fedex for overnight return. Shot it today; did over 200 rounds with both Blazer Brass and my carry ammo. Did have an issue with ftf using my original 10 round magazine that came with the pistol when new and using ball ammo. Switched to a different mag and no further problem. Called Springfield when I got home and they are replacing the magazine at no charge. Had to re-tweak the sights a little. Accuracy is very good. Rounds through the same hole at 7 yards and under 2" at 15 yards if I do my part, which I don't always do!! Scott said he was shipping the original Bar-sto back to them for examination. Told me that he cut a relief a little deeper (iirc it's on the top of the chamber, but I could be mistaken) and that this new relief was being done at the factory as well. Scott told me that this was the first time he'd ever had a problem with a Bar-sto and this was the first time I'd heard of a Bar-sto failure also. Have one in a Champion Mil-Spec 1911 project I did and you could pound nails with that thing. I'd be really interested to hear what Bar-sto determines as the cause of the failure. Let me tell you, I have Scott's trigger job on this pistol and everyone who has shot it has not wanted to give it back to me. Fantastic customer service and after the fact support. Wish more people were like him. I know there's another forum vendor with a great reputation but I gotta tell you - you won't go wrong with Springer Precision. Paul

08-16-2007, 03:46 AM	#6
Mercmar XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,755	Can't imagine an XD application where a Bar-Sto (and they DO make excellent barrels) would make any difference. You gonna be shooting bullseye with that XD?

08-16-2007, 04:27 PM	#8
Mercmar XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,755	No, I'm not kidding. Next time David Sevigny's shooting his stock Glock in a match, stand up and show him what that Bar-Sto will do! "Twice as accurate?" That's truly absurd.