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actionflies · 07-29-2007, 06:47 PM

I just cannot get my XD45 tactical to feed the various OAL I was testing with the 200gr. SWC. From now on I will only shoot 230gr. LRN in the XD45 and 200gr. SWC in the 1911.

medicstimpy · 07-29-2007, 08:48 PM

Since the test batch I got wasn't reloaded by me, I couldn't adjust the OAL, but did you try turning in the taper a bit more on your factory crimp die? Do you use a factory crimp die?

The test batch wouldn't feed good (about every 4th or 5th jammed) until I put a little more taper on them.

I just finished casting a few hundred of them so maybe my positive tests will be out the window once I get them reloaded but we'll see.

shaner · 07-31-2007, 04:29 AM

sum it up in 4 words , lee factory crimp die!! i swear by these for years, it takes a bit of time to run them thru it after you reload but it will definately help, i even have run factory ammo right out of the box an it helps them!!! you can feel it taper the ammo to that needed shape, if your running a 452 diameter bullet they are a must , and if you have a new chamber or fairly new , this can make the diff , if this isnt your problem its a good placeto start ,

rgeliske · 07-31-2007, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaner

sum it up in 4 words , lee factory crimp die!! i swear by these for years, it takes a bit of time to run them thru it after you reload but it will definately help, i even have run factory ammo right out of the box an it helps them!!! you can feel it taper the ammo to that needed shape, if your running a 452 diameter bullet they are a must , and if you have a new chamber or fairly new , this can make the diff , if this isnt your problem its a good placeto start ,

Love Lee Factory Crimp Dies use them for every caliber but still can't load SWC in an XD of any caliber. I too have given up trying to load SWC for the XD but they work just fine in the 1911 so I'm good to go. I shoot RNFP and RN as range rounds and am fine with it.

actionflies · 07-31-2007, 11:49 AM

I did use Lee FCD and still no luck.

**QCATrader** · 07-31-2007, 12:07 PM

The Lee FCD did nothing for me either, but I still use it with the 200SWC for my 1911's - no problem there, only with the XD.

I've since started loading 230 Truncated Cone lead bullets for the XD and have had no problem with those at all...

medicstimpy · 08-01-2007, 12:22 AM

Hummm, there are still a few who DO have the crimp die and it still doesn't work? I wonder if the model of XD45 makes a difference. I know my Tactical looks like it has a polished feed ramp from the factory. Does that have something to do with it maybe?
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Edit...
OOPS... read some of the taglines. Seems a mix of Service, Tactical and Compact. Some do and some don't so I guess it's not model specific. This is weird.

Hey guys, when you opened up the case for the first time, did your feed ramp look all shiny like chrome? I only seen my own brand spanking new so just wondering. I know a lot of us would like to really know why some do and some don't.

I also wonder if maybe it's because of the double stack mags. My buddy (the same one who gave me the test batch of reloads that I taper crimped) gave me a box of cast bullets because they won't feed in his Para Hi-Cap. But they do feed in his single stack Colt and my Springfield as well.

rgeliske · 08-01-2007, 08:13 AM

First the feed ramp is not polished on XDs out of the box.

The problem with SWC is the bullets design, the large flat nose. This is really over simplfied but I'l try to explain. After a round is fired as the slide moves back on a horizontal plane it pulls the spent case from the chamber. In addition the barrel unlocks and tilts down in the rear to aid in loading the next round from the magazine. When the spent case clears the firing chamber the extractor opens up releasing the case. At the slides furthest rear travel the top bullet in the magazine is allowed to rise under pressure from the magazine spring. As the slide starts moving forward it applies horizontal and strip the new round from the mag. At some point in forward movement the nose of the bullet makes contact with the feed ramp and begins to angle towards the firing chamber. SWC being flat nose resist angling upward much more than round nosed. The cartridge is still having pressure applied along the horizontal by the slide forward movement so the bullet becomes cross way to the chamber until it makes contact with the taper where it will be forced down toward the chamber opening. While all this is going on the rear of the barrel is trying to tilt back horizontal. Making everthing work together smoothly is not an easy thing and there are many variables. In some guns/bullet combinations the variables are to much.

Just use RN bullets it's a lot easier.

Can't tell I'm an old retired Engineer can ya?

Hope this helps.... I gotta go play golf.

Bronson · 08-01-2007, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by actionflies

I just cannot get my XD45 tactical to feed the various OAL I was testing with the 200gr. SWC. From now on I will only shoot 230gr. LRN in the XD45 and 200gr. SWC in the 1911.

Hey Action, have you tried the 200 grn RNFPs? My brother shoots them exclusively in his TAC and they feed like butter and no FCD. OAL is 1.190" You'd swear you were letting the slide down on an empty chamber. I'm using these also in my 1911 and my G30 Glock (KKM barrel) over 4.1 grains of Clays. My brother is using Unique. We get them from MasterCast.
Bronson

actionflies · 08-01-2007, 07:23 PM

At some point I will try the 200gr. RNFP in my XD45, but I've just order 6k rd. of bullets and 2 Springer drop in trigger kit.

07-29-2007, 06:47 PM	#1
actionflies XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 62	I'm done using SWC in my XD45! I just cannot get my XD45 tactical to feed the various OAL I was testing with the 200gr. SWC. From now on I will only shoot 230gr. LRN in the XD45 and 200gr. SWC in the 1911.

07-29-2007, 08:48 PM	#2
medicstimpy XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Montreal, Quebecistan in the land of anti's... the dictatorship of Canada Posts: 419	Since the test batch I got wasn't reloaded by me, I couldn't adjust the OAL, but did you try turning in the taper a bit more on your factory crimp die? Do you use a factory crimp die? The test batch wouldn't feed good (about every 4th or 5th jammed) until I put a little more taper on them. I just finished casting a few hundred of them so maybe my positive tests will be out the window once I get them reloaded but we'll see. __________________ Springfield Armory: 1911 Loaded SS (x2), XD9-TAC & XD45-TAC AR-15: Armalite .223, RockRiverArms 9mm Ruger: Mark III, 10/22 S&W: 686 Tokarev: 1942 Soviet TT33, 1958 Hungarian TT-58 Tokagypt, 1954 .22 Polish Sportowy Norchinko: M14S (x2) Yugo: M48 Mauser, M59/66 SKS Desert Chicken 44Magnum Levers: Win '94 1962 (unfired) & 1958 in 30-30 Taurus: 455 Tracker... 45ACP wheel gun... WAY KEWL If GUNS kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat

07-31-2007, 04:29 AM	#3
shaner XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: freddieville ohio Posts: 1,502	sum it up in 4 words , lee factory crimp die!! i swear by these for years, it takes a bit of time to run them thru it after you reload but it will definately help, i even have run factory ammo right out of the box an it helps them!!! you can feel it taper the ammo to that needed shape, if your running a 452 diameter bullet they are a must , and if you have a new chamber or fairly new , this can make the diff , if this isnt your problem its a good placeto start , __________________ XD SUBCOMPACT 9MM TFO'S XD TACTICAL 45ACP TFO'S XD TACTICAL 9MM XD COMPACT 45ACP XD SERVICE 9MM OD COUPLE SHOTGUNS COWBOY GUNS 2.5IN POCKET KNIFE IVE HAD SINCE 1977 STILL CARRYIN IT BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF TOO

07-31-2007, 12:07 PM	#6
QCATrader XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Iowa / Arizona Posts: 291	The Lee FCD did nothing for me either, but I still use it with the 200SWC for my 1911's - no problem there, only with the XD. I've since started loading 230 Truncated Cone lead bullets for the XD and have had no problem with those at all... __________________ If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's in English, thank a vet!

08-01-2007, 12:22 AM	#7
medicstimpy XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Montreal, Quebecistan in the land of anti's... the dictatorship of Canada Posts: 419	Hummm, there are still a few who DO have the crimp die and it still doesn't work? I wonder if the model of XD45 makes a difference. I know my Tactical looks like it has a polished feed ramp from the factory. Does that have something to do with it maybe? --------------------- Edit... OOPS... read some of the taglines. Seems a mix of Service, Tactical and Compact. Some do and some don't so I guess it's not model specific. This is weird. Hey guys, when you opened up the case for the first time, did your feed ramp look all shiny like chrome? I only seen my own brand spanking new so just wondering. I know a lot of us would like to really know why some do and some don't. I also wonder if maybe it's because of the double stack mags. My buddy (the same one who gave me the test batch of reloads that I taper crimped) gave me a box of cast bullets because they won't feed in his Para Hi-Cap. But they do feed in his single stack Colt and my Springfield as well. __________________ Springfield Armory: 1911 Loaded SS (x2), XD9-TAC & XD45-TAC AR-15: Armalite .223, RockRiverArms 9mm Ruger: Mark III, 10/22 S&W: 686 Tokarev: 1942 Soviet TT33, 1958 Hungarian TT-58 Tokagypt, 1954 .22 Polish Sportowy Norchinko: M14S (x2) Yugo: M48 Mauser, M59/66 SKS Desert Chicken 44Magnum Levers: Win '94 1962 (unfired) & 1958 in 30-30 Taurus: 455 Tracker... 45ACP wheel gun... WAY KEWL If GUNS kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat Last edited by medicstimpy : 08-01-2007 at 12:36 AM.

07-31-2007, 11:49 AM	#5
actionflies XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 62	I did use Lee FCD and still no luck.

08-01-2007, 08:13 AM	#8
rgeliske XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,678	First the feed ramp is not polished on XDs out of the box. The problem with SWC is the bullets design, the large flat nose. This is really over simplfied but I'l try to explain. After a round is fired as the slide moves back on a horizontal plane it pulls the spent case from the chamber. In addition the barrel unlocks and tilts down in the rear to aid in loading the next round from the magazine. When the spent case clears the firing chamber the extractor opens up releasing the case. At the slides furthest rear travel the top bullet in the magazine is allowed to rise under pressure from the magazine spring. As the slide starts moving forward it applies horizontal and strip the new round from the mag. At some point in forward movement the nose of the bullet makes contact with the feed ramp and begins to angle towards the firing chamber. SWC being flat nose resist angling upward much more than round nosed. The cartridge is still having pressure applied along the horizontal by the slide forward movement so the bullet becomes cross way to the chamber until it makes contact with the taper where it will be forced down toward the chamber opening. While all this is going on the rear of the barrel is trying to tilt back horizontal. Making everthing work together smoothly is not an easy thing and there are many variables. In some guns/bullet combinations the variables are to much. Just use RN bullets it's a lot easier. Can't tell I'm an old retired Engineer can ya? Hope this helps.... I gotta go play golf. __________________ Sig P220, Taurus PT1911, Browning HiPower 9mm, CZ75, CZ75 P01, S&W Model 60 357, Savage 9317 BTVS .17, Browning Buckmark, Taurus Gaucho 357 (pair), Taurus Gaucho 45LC (pair), Uberti 1873 Saddle Rifle 357, Uberti 1873 45 LC Carbine, TTN 12 Gauge Double, Ruger Bisley Vaquero 357 (pair), Springfield XD9SC, XD45 Service, XD45 Compact Tactical, Glock G35, Taurus 617 357

08-01-2007, 07:23 PM	#10
actionflies XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 62	At some point I will try the 200gr. RNFP in my XD45, but I've just order 6k rd. of bullets and 2 Springer drop in trigger kit.

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