.45 ACP 185 grain JHP - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

DanMartin · 07-20-2007, 06:58 PM

What is your thought on the round in the XD .45 ACP service model, as compared to 230 grain Ball?

Tard · 07-20-2007, 07:01 PM

A faster lighter bullet is easier to control than a slower heavier bullet.

Ball ammo is only used by the military because of the Geneva Convention banning expanding bullets.

Otherwise, they would use JHP ammo.

rgeliske · 07-21-2007, 06:22 AM

I guess you need to be more specific with your question. My general answer is ball ammo is cheaper and good for range work and I prefer lead over jacketed. JHP are more expensive not as good for range work. JHP provide better expansion with less penetration, and are good for defensive rounds. Higher velocity aids in expansion so lighter bullets with higher velocities are good for defence rounds.

DanMartin · 07-21-2007, 07:10 AM

Accuracy is my concern. For example, a Model 10 Smith is suppose to be POA/POI with 158 grain SWC. My question is if the XD is sighted POA/POI with Ball?

Tard · 07-21-2007, 08:10 AM

My XD.40Service shifts POA/POI quite a bit between 165 and 180gr bullets, it's clearly designed for 180gr bullets so I moved back to shooting those.

My XD.45ACP Tactical pretty much shoots everything great, can't quite explain it. The longer bbl? I dunno. I shoot 200gr JFP bullets from Montana Gold and it loves 'em.

Saggin · 07-21-2007, 08:43 AM

My 45 tactical shoots different weight ammo at the same point I have mixed some up at the range one day and saw no difference. I do shoot 230 gr fmj for practice but keep 230 grain hydroshocks as my carry ammo.

fredj338 · 07-21-2007, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saggin

My 45 tactical shoots different weight ammo at the same point I have mixed some up at the range one day and saw no difference. I do shoot 230 gr fmj for practice but keep 230 grain hydroshocks as my carry ammo.

Mine too. Unlike some, I actually like the 185grJHP. Expansion is good, especially from shorter bbls. If you move to a 185gr+P, recoil goes up to & beyond ball ammo, so little advantage there. I don't think there is a bad bullet for the 45acp.

DanMartin · 07-21-2007, 10:17 AM

Thanks Fred.

M2XD · 07-21-2007, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tard

A faster lighter bullet is easier to control than a slower heavier bullet.

Ball ammo is only used by the military because of the Geneva Convention banning expanding bullets.

Otherwise, they would use JHP ammo.

Actually, it's not the Geneva Convention but Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899 that prohibits the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body. The US signed the treaty the next year and still abides by it.

The four Geneva Conventions set the standards for international law for humanitarian concerns, chiefly concerning the treatment of non-combatants and POWs.

Many people confuse the two...but even if JHPs were legal for use, there is no guarantee that the military would use it. Ball ammo has better penetrating abilities that are more desirable in many situations.

Cheers! M2

Iostream · 07-21-2007, 03:11 PM

230gr +p HP is where it's at baby. =D

07-20-2007, 06:58 PM	#1
DanMartin XDTalk Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 83	.45 ACP 185 grain JHP What is your thought on the round in the XD .45 ACP service model, as compared to 230 grain Ball?

07-20-2007, 07:01 PM	#2
Tard XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Machias, WA Posts: 3,014	A faster lighter bullet is easier to control than a slower heavier bullet. Ball ammo is only used by the military because of the Geneva Convention banning expanding bullets. Otherwise, they would use JHP ammo. __________________ The good times have been used up.

07-21-2007, 06:22 AM	#3
rgeliske XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,678	I guess you need to be more specific with your question. My general answer is ball ammo is cheaper and good for range work and I prefer lead over jacketed. JHP are more expensive not as good for range work. JHP provide better expansion with less penetration, and are good for defensive rounds. Higher velocity aids in expansion so lighter bullets with higher velocities are good for defence rounds. __________________ Sig P220, Taurus PT1911, Browning HiPower 9mm, CZ75, CZ75 P01, S&W Model 60 357, Savage 9317 BTVS .17, Browning Buckmark, Taurus Gaucho 357 (pair), Taurus Gaucho 45LC (pair), Uberti 1873 Saddle Rifle 357, Uberti 1873 45 LC Carbine, TTN 12 Gauge Double, Ruger Bisley Vaquero 357 (pair), Springfield XD9SC, XD45 Service, XD45 Compact Tactical, Glock G35, Taurus 617 357

07-21-2007, 07:10 AM	#4
DanMartin XDTalk Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 83	Accuracy is my concern. For example, a Model 10 Smith is suppose to be POA/POI with 158 grain SWC. My question is if the XD is sighted POA/POI with Ball? Last edited by DanMartin : 07-21-2007 at 07:59 AM.

07-21-2007, 08:10 AM	#5
Tard XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Machias, WA Posts: 3,014	My XD.40Service shifts POA/POI quite a bit between 165 and 180gr bullets, it's clearly designed for 180gr bullets so I moved back to shooting those. My XD.45ACP Tactical pretty much shoots everything great, can't quite explain it. The longer bbl? I dunno. I shoot 200gr JFP bullets from Montana Gold and it loves 'em. __________________ The good times have been used up.

07-21-2007, 08:43 AM	#6
Saggin XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Adrian, Mi Posts: 140	My 45 tactical shoots different weight ammo at the same point I have mixed some up at the range one day and saw no difference. I do shoot 230 gr fmj for practice but keep 230 grain hydroshocks as my carry ammo.

07-21-2007, 10:17 AM	#8
DanMartin XDTalk Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 83	Thanks Fred.

07-21-2007, 03:11 PM	#10
Iostream XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 223	230gr +p HP is where it's at baby. =D __________________ *"What the hell is an aluminum falcon* ?"**

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