.45 ACP 185 grain JHP - Page 2 - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

Jettubby · 07-21-2007, 07:30 PM

185gr? You mine as well trade it in on a .40.

Tard · 07-21-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by M2XD

Actually, it's not the Geneva Convention but Declaration III of the Hague Convention of 1899 that prohibits the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body. The US signed the treaty the next year and still abides by it.

The four Geneva Conventions set the standards for international law for humanitarian concerns, chiefly concerning the treatment of non-combatants and POWs.

Many people confuse the two...but even if JHPs were legal for use, there is no guarantee that the military would use it. Ball ammo has better penetrating abilities that are more desirable in many situations.

Cheers! M2

Thanks for the clarification.
I bet the black ops guys use JHP!

GlockConvert · 07-22-2007, 01:23 AM

Don't much care what the bullet weighs. If it expands to 70 caliber and penetrates 13 - 16 inches, I'm basically a happy guy. 230grain +P Rangers do that, as do Corbon DPX. I'll be replacing my rangers with DPX as the weeks go by, primarily because of their ability to penetrate intermediate barriers (sheet metal, glass...). Either will work. Its all about penetration and expansion for handguns.

DanMartin · 07-22-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GlockConvert

Don't much care what the bullet weighs. If it expands to 70 caliber and penetrates 13 - 16 inches, I'm basically a happy guy. 230grain +P Rangers do that, as do Corbon DPX. I'll be replacing my rangers with DPX as the weeks go by, primarily because of their ability to penetrate intermediate barriers (sheet metal, glass...). Either will work. Its all about penetration and expansion for handguns.

I appreciate your insight into intermediate barrier penetration, but my question concerned accuracy. (Obviously, not all barriers can be penetrated.

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Jettubby · 07-22-2007, 09:31 AM

Accuracy is what you learn to shoot with. Shoot the heaviest bullet for the caliber. If you have to go down to a 185gr in a .45 to get accurate then you should trade the .45 in on a .40.

Check this out: http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

Tard · 07-22-2007, 09:38 AM

Bullseye .45 shooters shoot 185 gr bullets to reduce felt recoil and aid recovery. Even out to 50 yards, there is no reduction in accuracy when shooting 185 vs 230gr bullets in a .45, if accuracy is your goal.

I use 200gr bullets in my defensive .45 for practice and 185gr in my bullseye .45.

DanMartin · 07-22-2007, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jettubby

Accuracy is what you learn to shoot with. Shoot the heaviest bullet for the caliber. If you have to go down to a 185gr in a .45 to get accurate then you should trade the .45 in on a .40.

Check this out: http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

If you recall my earlier posts, I was/am concerned with POA/POI. Specifically if the 185 JHP will shot low or high compared to 230 grain Ball. Whether or not I need to go to a .40 or use the heaviest .45ACP bullet possible isn't really germane.

Jettubby · 07-22-2007, 11:30 PM

It's amazing what Google will do for ya. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=192400

07-21-2007, 07:30 PM	#11
Jettubby XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "Blink...and you're mine!" Posts: 2,042	185gr? You mine as well trade it in on a .40. __________________ T "You can come along peacefully or you don't have to come along at all". - Sonny Crockett "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln And Jesus said, “He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” (Luke, 22:36)

07-22-2007, 01:23 AM	#13
GlockConvert XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: PAC NW Posts: 422	Don't much care what the bullet weighs. If it expands to 70 caliber and penetrates 13 - 16 inches, I'm basically a happy guy. 230grain +P Rangers do that, as do Corbon DPX. I'll be replacing my rangers with DPX as the weeks go by, primarily because of their ability to penetrate intermediate barriers (sheet metal, glass...). Either will work. Its all about penetration and expansion for handguns. __________________ Damien in Seattle I don't list my guns - I know glocks, FALs, and AKs but I'm not sure my ability to fill a gunsafe with guns make me an expert on anything. All that you can depend on from a 45 is that it will drill a .45 - .70 inch hole about 14 inches into someone. There will not be "energy dump", people will not fly backwards, and they will not necessarily fall as if they have been struck by lighting.

07-22-2007, 09:31 AM	#15
Jettubby XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "Blink...and you're mine!" Posts: 2,042	Accuracy is what you learn to shoot with. Shoot the heaviest bullet for the caliber. If you have to go down to a 185gr in a .45 to get accurate then you should trade the .45 in on a .40. Check this out: http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm __________________ T "You can come along peacefully or you don't have to come along at all". - Sonny Crockett "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln And Jesus said, “He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” (Luke, 22:36)

07-22-2007, 09:38 AM	#16
Tard XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Machias, WA Posts: 3,902	Bullseye .45 shooters shoot 185 gr bullets to reduce felt recoil and aid recovery. Even out to 50 yards, there is no reduction in accuracy when shooting 185 vs 230gr bullets in a .45, if accuracy is your goal. I use 200gr bullets in my defensive .45 for practice and 185gr in my bullseye .45. __________________ If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the precipitate.

07-22-2007, 11:30 PM	#18
Jettubby XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: "Blink...and you're mine!" Posts: 2,042	It's amazing what Google will do for ya. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=192400 __________________ T "You can come along peacefully or you don't have to come along at all". - Sonny Crockett "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln And Jesus said, “He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.” (Luke, 22:36)

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