XD 4" 45ACP or S&W M&P 45 with man.safety?

[ArmyGuy45]

Originally Posted by para_org

Most .45 acp XD's do not properly cycle with 200 gr SWC (H & G # 68 style) rounds. Springfield's gunsmiths are well aware of the problem and there is no known fix except to weld a bead onto the bottom of the slide in the right spot.

If the S&W does feed these bullets better, you might want to consider that.

have problems with my smith feeding... no my XD

[exexpat93]

You sound pretty knowledgeable about your pistols.

You have limited your choice to a handful.

(At any given moment there are about 12 pistols or rifles I wouldn't mind trying or buying - the wallet holds me back.)

I research the heck out of any purchase. It is a fever before hand. Point/CounterPoint every feature.

I love my XD-45 but I love some features and others make me wary. (I'm a Double Action CrunchTicker Manual Safety 9mm'er at heart and the Single Action Polymer is new to me.) The XD could do one more manual safety to me in the 1911 vein IMHO but ... the XD is still a favorite gun to me.

You sound like you have many XD's already and you might have "Wunderlust" for something new - nothing wrong with that.

Try out the Smithy and Wesson if you want a new flavor. (Does that one have a magazine disconnect safety? That is the safety I could do without if it has one. I don't like it and feel a Mag Discon Safety is one that can render a firearm inhert at a bad moment due to mechanical failure.)

I think in your heart of hearts you know what you want already. Thumb safeties are great to me unless you want something with less and less stabilities (great in some arms and fighter planes).

I think you are in a win win choice.

Go with your gut feeling.

[buckeye49]

Originally Posted by exexpat93

You sound pretty knowledgeable about your pistols.

You have limited your choice to a handful.

(At any given moment there are about 12 pistols or rifles I wouldn't mind trying or buying - the wallet holds me back.)

I research the heck out of any purchase. It is a fever before hand. Point/CounterPoint every feature.

I love my XD-45 but I love some features and others make me wary. (I'm a Double Action CrunchTicker Manual Safety 9mm'er at heart and the Single Action Polymer is new to me.) The XD could do one more manual safety to me in the 1911 vein IMHO but ... the XD is still a favorite gun to me.

You sound like you have many XD's already and you might have "Wunderlust" for something new - nothing wrong with that.

Try out the Smithy and Wesson if you want a new flavor. (Does that one have a magazine disconnect safety? That is the safety I could do without if it has one. I don't like it and feel a Mag Discon Safety is one that can render a firearm inhert at a bad moment due to mechanical failure.)

I think in your heart of hearts you know what you want already. Thumb safeties are great to me unless you want something with less and less stabilities (great in some arms and fighter planes).

I think you are in a win win choice.

Go with your gut feeling.

I would probably be happy with the 45 in either the XD OR the M&P, but I am asking questions here because otherwise it is sort of like proof reading your own numbers, e.g. I can see a 4 and read it as a 3 20 times, but you may see the 4 and read it as 4 the first time. Fatigue and an obsession with guns both have an effect on the choices I make and it is always easy to overlook something. So, I respect and honor the input from all you folks out there. The M&P 45 at the guns store that has the (1911 sytle) manual safety DOES NOT have the magazine safety. The M&P 40 I have does have it, which I am not totally convinced either way about whether having the mag disconnect is good or bad. I have heard both arguments and they both have merit. I once had a full size (other brand) 40 caliber pistol and it is why I have a hole in the top of my reloading bench (that pistol did not have a mag disconnect safety. I was tired and was trying to re-set-up my PC, the hard drive had crashed and I had gotten a replacement and was re-installing all the software, running back and forth between the PC and the re-loading bench; all of which proves that one should not mess around with a gun when tired or under stress, if avoidable).

[XDAlaskan]

Originally Posted by buckeye49

I am wanting to buy a new (plastic) 45 acp pistol. I have both XD's and M&Ps (in 9mm and 40S&W), but would like your input on why I should buy one (XD or M&P) over the other.

I reload using a Dillon RL550B and usually shoot 200 grain bullets. However, I would want to shoot factory hollow point defensive ammo while carrying (if the need arises).

Pleas share with me your suggestions, which are appreciated.

I went to get another pistol and wanted to check out the M&P 45ACP. It arrived in town so off I went. It felt great in my hand, pointed good, as good as my XD but had a terrible trigger. Not only was it stiff to pull but it did not break easily either. All I can say is the trigger is junk and I was not the only one to say this after it got passed it around to other hands. Of course with 1000 rounds down the pipe it very well may get smooth but if it starts out bad will it get better at a ratio to make it as good as the XD trigger at 1000 rounds?

I still do not understand why the XD is reported to have a poor trigger. After trying everything in town, the only thing I noticed was long travel and reset but it broke better than anything but $800 and up 1911's and a Walther.

So its a XD C 45ACP for me. I really want to get something other than another XD but I can honestly say nothing feels as good in my hands, even a $2000 1911 minus the trigger of course. I might get a Walther it I could get it in a 45ACP.

And in a crisis, I want simple like the XD.

[buckeye49]

XDAlaskan:

What you said was important to me XDALASKAN. Your response to my question is the honest experience you have had; that is what I am wanting to hear from everyone out there. Tonight I got all my pistols out of the safe (car, under the bed, etc.). I have 10 pistols (not counting rifles and carbines).

I held the M&P 40 and held my Xd 9mm 4" service model and held the XD SC in 40. The feel of the grip is definitely different on the XD and the M&P pistols, but each feels good (as compared to all other pistols).

I passed on going after the XD in stainless; so the store may not still honor the price they offered to me. The Stainless in 9mm and 40 was on sale for $439 or $449 (can't remember exactly) and the black 45 acp 4" XD was on sale for about $449. The stainless 4" in 45 acp was not on sale. But, I got them to say they'd let me have it for $479.99. But, as I said that was on Sunday. They are closed on Monday and I didn't follow through and call them today to see if they'd still honor that price. But, this time of year seems to be slow for them, so maybe they will still have it. The M&P in 45 ACP with the manual safety was NOT on sale and was over $500. I think I prefer the loaded chamber indicator and grip safety on the XD over the M&P.

Thanks for your input.

[buckeye49]

I agree with that.

[buckeye49]

Originally Posted by GlockConvert

I'd say stick with the XD. You have several, you know the grip angle, manual of arms... . I'm a big believer in staying consistent. If you are carrying the gun, you will want that system hard wired into you. I can't tell you the number of students I have seen that have multiple guns get totally muddled under stress. Flip the safety down for fire, or up if you have a beretta. Is that a decocker? A safety and decocker? Is that the slide release or the decocker? If its raining, and dark, and you get knocked on your ass, and some knuckle head is fixing to part your hair with a bat, are you going to remember to say "remember now, you are drawing a pistol with a manual safety and not your XD, you need to take it off". keep it simple. keep it consistent.

Thanks, I agree with your comments and will most likely take that advice and stick with the XD, which I know so well.

[rogerxd45]

Originally Posted by buckeye49

I am wanting to buy a new (plastic) 45 acp pistol. I have both XD's and M&Ps (in 9mm and 40S&W), but would like your input on why I should buy one (XD or M&P) over the other.

I reload using a Dillon RL550B and usually shoot 200 grain bullets. However, I would want to shoot factory hollow point defensive ammo while carrying (if the need arises).

Pleas share with me your suggestions, which are appreciated.

well first you should never use hand loaded ammo for shooting people. yoiu should buy factory ammo for self defence. useing handloadedammo could be used aginst you in court