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Myk9noseknows · 06-03-2007, 10:34 PM

Greater mass, (230g) will have greater recoil.

spamlovr · 06-04-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tally XD

Other than testing recoil and accuracy in YOUR gun, this doesnt tell you much? You would need ballistic gellatin to be able to see the difference in penetration and bullet wound characteristics.

Or statistics compiled from actual shootings.

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I am currently homebrew testing three or four brands of rounds of JHP fired into four bleach jugs full of water.

You should really use ballistic gelatin for that kind of testing (see your quote above or maybe the Box of Truth website).

fredj338 · 06-04-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Myk9noseknows

Greater mass, (230g) will have greater recoil.

It will depend on the vel. you push the mass. I like the recoil of std. vel. 185-200gr bullets from my little OM & the vel. is a bit higher for more relaible expansion (yeah, I know new bullets, yada, yada, but I'm old school). The higher energy means little in pistol rounds & as long as the bullet will penetrate, like the XTPs, nothing wrong w/ using 185gr. BTW, the 185grGS expands & enetrates well w/ very mild recoil in std. fvel. form.

Tally XD · 06-04-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spamlovr

Or statistics compiled from actual shootings.

You should really use ballistic gelatin for that kind of testing (see your quote above or maybe the Box of Truth website).

I am looking into ballistic gellatin now. I wasnt trying to get too scientific. I just wanted to see the bullet expansion characteristics for muself as best I could.

Frisco Pete · 06-05-2007, 11:36 AM

The nice thing about the .45 ACP is that all of the standard weights seem to work well (185-230) from what I've read. I have a .40 already [using 180s], and am a traditionalist in some ways, so I use 230 Gold Dots as opposed to the lighter weights. I can handload to duplicate factory ammo with these, so testing and function tests can be a bit cheaper going this route. XTPs would do the same.
Perhaps you should just see what you and your pistol like the best as to weight/bullet and base your decision on that.
One thought that I have kicked around with the .40 and may apply to the .45 is that during the winter when a perp may be wearing heavier clothing, go to the heavier bullet. You can use the lighter bullet in the summer for a little quicker opening.
Really I don't think ft./lbs. of energy is a reliable indicator when it comes to slow pistol rounds. This measure is very highly velocity-oriented or slanted. The figures are so close anyway that one couldn't really say that in real life one load would be that superior to another. Check the slight percentage differences between light and heavy.

jtkratzer · 06-05-2007, 12:13 PM

frisco, are you saying you use 230 gr. GoldDots in your .40?

Legend · 06-05-2007, 12:13 PM

Winchester SXT 230gr is what lives in my XD most times... I've felt I have good accuracy with it, and it is a time proven round... Being the same as the Black Talon (minus the coating) and just a renamed Ranger ammo.

The Hornady 230gr +p TAP ammo is what I've had the best luck with in my Kimber however. It seems I could limp wrist it even, and the Hornady had enough pressure to cycle that 3" barrel and slide.

IamtheNRA · 06-05-2007, 05:21 PM

230 gr Hydrashok...love 'em!

the_gunman1 · 06-05-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IamtheNRA

230 gr Hydrashok...love 'em!

I'm not trying to step on your toes brother but in my personal tests the Hydra-Shok in several calibers failed to expand about 50% of the time when fired through a few layers of clothing placed in front of the water bags in my fackler box.
I myself carried Hydra-Shok ammo for a few years till I started testing ammo for myself. So far Gold Dots have been the most consistant load I've tested. I have not tested the HST from Fed yet though.

I am not trying to act biased. I just wanted to share my findings with fellow shooters.

IamtheNRA · 06-05-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the_gunman1

I'm not trying to step on your toes brother but in my personal tests the Hydra-Shok in several calibers failed to expand about 50% of the time when fired through a few layers of clothing placed in front of the water bags in my fackler box.
I myself carried Hydra-Shok ammo for a few years till I started testing ammo for myself. So far Gold Dots have been the most consistant load I've tested. I have not tested the HST from Fed yet though.

I am not trying to act biased. I just wanted to share my findings with fellow shooters.

Yeah, I heard something about that...of course, I live in Florida, so people don't wear much clothing here most of the year...even a .380 will get ya by in the summertime.

I have found the Federal 230 gr Hydrashoks to be very consistent in POI and flawlessly reliable. How do the Gold Dots compare price wise? I might try some of those...heard a lot of good things about 'em. I have a lot of ammo as it is...a few more boxes...er...cases wouldn't hurt!

I am in the "slow and heavy" bullet camp.

06-05-2007, 11:36 AM	#15
Frisco Pete XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 133	The nice thing about the .45 ACP is that all of the standard weights seem to work well (185-230) from what I've read. I have a .40 already [using 180s], and am a traditionalist in some ways, so I use 230 Gold Dots as opposed to the lighter weights. I can handload to duplicate factory ammo with these, so testing and function tests can be a bit cheaper going this route. XTPs would do the same. Perhaps you should just see what you and your pistol like the best as to weight/bullet and base your decision on that. One thought that I have kicked around with the .40 and may apply to the .45 is that during the winter when a perp may be wearing heavier clothing, go to the heavier bullet. You can use the lighter bullet in the summer for a little quicker opening. Really I don't think ft./lbs. of energy is a reliable indicator when it comes to slow pistol rounds. This measure is very highly velocity-oriented or slanted. The figures are so close anyway that one couldn't really say that in real life one load would be that superior to another. Check the slight percentage differences between light and heavy. Last edited by Frisco Pete; 06-05-2007 at 06:08 PM. Reason: clairification

06-05-2007, 12:13 PM	#17
Legend XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 107	Winchester SXT 230gr is what lives in my XD most times... I've felt I have good accuracy with it, and it is a time proven round... Being the same as the Black Talon (minus the coating) and just a renamed Ranger ammo. The Hornady 230gr +p TAP ammo is what I've had the best luck with in my Kimber however. It seems I could limp wrist it even, and the Hornady had enough pressure to cycle that 3" barrel and slide. __________________ _________________ "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing, which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than him." -- John Stewart Mill (1806-1873) *____________________*

06-05-2007, 05:21 PM	#18
IamtheNRA XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 124	230 gr Hydrashok...love 'em! __________________ XD .45 Service Model

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