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JBIV · 04-13-2007, 11:05 PM

I post here because the XD I have is a 45. I hope this is not the wrong forum to post. Either way, the picture I am posting is not to show that the tenifer process is inferior, it is just that; a process. The finish can ware away in time just like anything else. The fact that after this happens and no rust entails should be the emphasis. I have yet to have any ware on my XD, and I carry it ALL day EVERY day. I also have a ruger that the finish started coming off a long, long, time ago. Still, no rust though. Point is...well I don't think I have a point. Just check out the stupid picture.

GlockConvert · 04-13-2007, 11:23 PM

I don't know much about the other finishes but I understand from my glock armorer course tht the tennifer actually penetrates into the metal by several microns and even if the visible finish wears off, the tennifer is still present.

JBIV · 04-13-2007, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlockConvert

I don't know much about the other finishes but I understand from my glock armorer course tht the tennifer actually penetrates into the metal by several microns and even if the visible finish wears off, the tennifer is still present.

That's what I wanted to point out. I bet those surfaces exposed in that picture hold up perfectly well against "crappy" conditions. The firearm itself will hold up just as well, if needed, to protect yourself against "crappy" conditions.

shipwreck · 04-14-2007, 07:17 AM

Every finish will develop Holster wear. In the past, Glock just held up the best. I carried a Glock 26 for 8 years. After about 6-8 months or daily unholstering from leather, it started to develop wearon the slide.

I do not believe the slide release is covered by tennifer. The black finish on that part comes off quick. And it is silver underneath - not "whitish" - the color of tennifer below the black coloring.

But, the blac coloring OVER the tennifer can vary from gun to gun. As much as I love my P99 - the black finish over the tennifer that Walther uses scratches easier than the older finish Glock used to use. Now, Glocks have a glossier finish over the tennifer.

And as said above - melonite and tennifer is pretty much the same.

Hard chrome your gun if you want no holster wear.

Frisco Pete · 04-15-2007, 09:11 AM

I am just glad that the XD45 came out with a melonite finish from get-go and that SA changed over to the process for the other XDs. This was one of my gripes with the earlier XDs.

monsterdawg725 · 04-15-2007, 05:39 PM

tennifer and melonite are metal treatments you cannot see them you see the oxide ( on a glock) finish it will wear off as most finishes will the tennifer or melonite penetrates the metal it will not wear off

Don · 04-15-2007, 06:12 PM

monsterdawg725 has it right. Tennifer and Melonite are trademarked names for the same processes from the same parent corporation. One is the licensed name it Europe, one is the licensed name for USA and they are the same from what I understand from the corporate website. They are a nitriding treatment that is a diffusion layer into the steel. They are not a surface treatment like paint or plating, they are a treatment that penetrates the surface of the metal and have almost no dimensional changes after the treatment. The properties of low friction and hardness and corrosion resistance become part of the metal, and can not be removed from wear short of wearing several thousandth of metal away, not likely in our lifetime with a pistol. I have seen some wear on a nitrided camshaft after 100,000 miles but not enough to retire it.
Anything cosmetic over the Tennifer/Melonite/Nitriding may show wear, but the base metal should not wear at all for a pistol application.

04-13-2007, 11:05 PM	#1
JBIV XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 267	tenifer good, Melonite just as good I post here because the XD I have is a 45. I hope this is not the wrong forum to post. Either way, the picture I am posting is not to show that the tenifer process is inferior, it is just that; a process. The finish can ware away in time just like anything else. The fact that after this happens and no rust entails should be the emphasis. I have yet to have any ware on my XD, and I carry it ALL day EVERY day. I also have a ruger that the finish started coming off a long, long, time ago. Still, no rust though. Point is...well I don't think I have a point. Just check out the stupid picture.

04-13-2007, 11:23 PM	#2
GlockConvert XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: PAC NW Posts: 387	I don't know much about the other finishes but I understand from my glock armorer course tht the tennifer actually penetrates into the metal by several microns and even if the visible finish wears off, the tennifer is still present. __________________ Damien in Seattle I don't list my guns - I know glocks, FALs, and AKs but I'm not sure my ability to fill a gunsafe with guns make me an expert on anything. All that you can depend on from a 45 is that it will drill a .45 - .70 inch hole about 14 inches into someone. There will not be "energy dump", people will not fly backwards, and they will not necessarily fall as if they have been struck by lighting.

04-14-2007, 07:17 AM	#4
shipwreck XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,326	Every finish will develop Holster wear. In the past, Glock just held up the best. I carried a Glock 26 for 8 years. After about 6-8 months or daily unholstering from leather, it started to develop wearon the slide. I do not believe the slide release is covered by tennifer. The black finish on that part comes off quick. And it is silver underneath - not "whitish" - the color of tennifer below the black coloring. But, the blac coloring OVER the tennifer can vary from gun to gun. As much as I love my P99 - the black finish over the tennifer that Walther uses scratches easier than the older finish Glock used to use. Now, Glocks have a glossier finish over the tennifer. And as said above - melonite and tennifer is pretty much the same. Hard chrome your gun if you want no holster wear. __________________ - Visit: http://www.fnforum.net The ULTIMATE FN site!

04-15-2007, 05:39 PM	#6
monsterdawg725 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: chattanooga area TN Posts: 705	tennifer and melonite are metal treatments you cannot see them you see the oxide ( on a glock) finish it will wear off as most finishes will the tennifer or melonite penetrates the metal it will not wear off __________________ well hell yes its dangerous if it wasnt i wouldnt have no need to carry it ! XD-9 sc bi-tone , ,Keltec p3aT,,Glock 19 9mm , Glock 23 40 s&w, Sig Mosquito 22 . surefire g2,Streamlite Thunder Ranch tl2 ,Streamlight Scorpion Glock tac light.

04-15-2007, 06:12 PM	#7
Don XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Pullman, WA Posts: 4,237	monsterdawg725 has it right. Tennifer and Melonite are trademarked names for the same processes from the same parent corporation. One is the licensed name it Europe, one is the licensed name for USA and they are the same from what I understand from the corporate website. They are a nitriding treatment that is a diffusion layer into the steel. They are not a surface treatment like paint or plating, they are a treatment that penetrates the surface of the metal and have almost no dimensional changes after the treatment. The properties of low friction and hardness and corrosion resistance become part of the metal, and can not be removed from wear short of wearing several thousandth of metal away, not likely in our lifetime with a pistol. I have seen some wear on a nitrided camshaft after 100,000 miles but not enough to retire it. Anything cosmetic over the Tennifer/Melonite/Nitriding may show wear, but the base metal should not wear at all for a pistol application. __________________ Don geek with guns Why don\'t you all f-f-f-fade away.... FAQ - Don\'s Guide Rod Last edited by Don; 04-15-2007 at 06:17 PM.

04-15-2007, 09:11 AM	#5
Frisco Pete XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 132	I am just glad that the XD45 came out with a melonite finish from get-go and that SA changed over to the process for the other XDs. This was one of my gripes with the earlier XDs.

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