XD 45 Tactical as a duty weapon with Federal HST?

[gigster]

Good news guys, thanks. I spoke with two different people at SA today, and while they were forthcoming (without my even asking) about some isolated issues with Winchester SXT that were related to some poorly crimped batches, they told me they had never heard of a Federal HST issue that wasn't traced to some other problem, usually weakened mag springs. In fact, they never had an issue with any federal ammo, Which has been my experience also.

[Cuda66]

Originally Posted by gigster

Good news guys, thanks. I spoke with two different people at SA today, and while they were forthcoming (without my even asking) about some isolated issues with Winchester SXT that were related to some poorly crimped batches, they told me they had never heard of a Federal HST issue that wasn't traced to some other problem, usually weakened mag springs. In fact, they never had an issue with any federal ammo, Which has been my experience also.

By your own admission, you had FTF's with HST--so you have had issues.

Personally, 2 FTF's, even in 300 rounds, would give me some serious doubts about a given ammo's reliability in my pistol, particularly in a defensive load. Obviously, it was enough for you, too, since you switched to HydraShoks.

Since others have posted here about this problem, if I was issued HST as my mandated carry load, there's no way I'd ever consider a XD45 without at least 500 rounds of it running perfectly through the pistol first.

[jj79]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

I don't know...I sold them all before I bothered fixing them. XD9sc stopped liking Blazer after about 1500 rounds (probably tight chamber), XD40sc just had intermittent random failures, I don't like .40 anyways so it went real quick...the XD45c didn't like various hollow points after about 300-400 rounds. I bought it used. All got hung up on the feed ramp, which was polished.

My 1911's worked better then the XD's...they tend to have issues at the classes I'm at as well. Oh well...

sounds like you need a revolver...

[digitalexplr]

Originally Posted by gigster

My brother, a Police LT in SoCal, is considering going to a 5" XD Tactical 45, because his Les Baer SRP just doesn't have the capacity he wants for the environment he is working in now. There may be an issue, in that their department only uses Federal HST.

I have read a few reports about XD45s not feeding this round very well. And I have had a couple of rare FTFs with HST in my own XD45C, although it gobbles up everything else, except semi-wadcutters. It seems clear that there is at least a potential feeding problem with wide-mouthed HPs like HST, and flat nosed projectiles.

Does anybody know how widespread the issue is, and whether there is anything that can be done to make an XD45 feed HST more reliably? For example is there any slight re-shaping of the feed ramp that could increase reliability with this round?

For my own purposes with my 45C, I just went back to Federal Hydra Shoks and all is well. Unfortunately, choosing another round is not an option for my brother as it is for me.

There is a lot of talk on the Internet - a lot of it worthless. I shoot a lot of HST's through my XD45. Never a burp. They also work well in my 9sc and .40 service.

[gigster]

Originally Posted by Cuda66

By your own admission, you had FTF's with HST--so you have had issues.

Personally, 2 FTF's, even in 300 rounds, would give me some serious doubts about a given ammo's reliability in my pistol, particularly in a defensive load. Obviously, it was enough for you, too, since you switched to HydraShoks.

It's just difficult to be absolutely certain if it is attributable to the ammo. Only time will tell if it begins to occur with other rounds. I haven't done a lot of shooting since the 2 FTFs. I've kept my mags fully loaded for three years. It is possible that my mag springs are due for replacement. I will try another box or two after replacing the mag springs. If I still have failures with only HST, then I will be ready to make a call on it.

Obviously, regardless of whether the hiccups were incidental to the ammo or not, I'm only going to run what has never failed, and that's Hydra Shok 185/230, Golden Saber 185/230, Gold Dot JHP230, UMC 230gr JHPs (don't laugh, it's dirty but it works!), Winchester Silvertips 185 JHP, Winchester SXT 230. and of course, any FMJ that I have ever tried.

Since others have posted here about this problem, if I was issued HST as my mandated carry load, there's no way I'd ever consider a XD45 without at least 500 rounds of it running perfectly through the pistol first.

Since the XD has otherwise been so completely reliable and unfinicky, If I had 200-300 consecutive flawless rounds of HST through it (or any other premium SD load), that would meet my comfort level. Worst case, I do failure drills on a regular basis, and it's been a few years since I've had a FTF that I couldn't clear in about a second or less. ANY ammo can have a flaw, it's just extraordinarily rare with Federal, in my experience. Fed-HST IS a little different than anything else I've seen, with the wide mouth, and squared-off profile.

[Cuda66]

Originally Posted by gigster

It's just difficult to be absolutely certain if it is attributable to the ammo. Only time will tell if it begins to occur with other rounds. I haven't done a lot of shooting since the 2 FTFs. I've kept my mags fully loaded for three years. It is possible that my mag springs are due for replacement. I will try another box or two after replacing the mag springs. If I still have failures with only HST, then I will be ready to make a call on it.

Obviously, regardless of whether the hiccups were incidental to the ammo or not, I'm only going to run what has never failed, and that's Hydra Shok 185/230, Golden Saber 185/230, Gold Dot JHP230, UMC 230gr JHPs (don't laugh, it's dirty but it works!), Winchester Silvertips 185 JHP, Winchester SXT 230. and of course, any FMJ that I have ever tried.

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You list all the JHP's that have run flawlessly in your XD, yet you've had 2 issues with HST...

As Bill Engvall would say: "Here's your sign..."

[gigster]

Originally Posted by Cuda66

You list all the JHP's that have run flawlessly in your XD, yet you've had 2 issues with HST...

As Bill Engvall would say: "Here's your sign..."

Of course, any failure is an eyebrow raiser that one ignores at their peril. Obviously, I will only run the rounds that have never failed for SD. As I said, only time will tell if it's just a Federal HST issue, or something broader.

But what if I were to begin to have these occasional hiccups with previously reliable ammo? See my point? Then I would know about an emerging issue not neccessarily related to ammo, which I would ALSO ignore at my own peril. I think it's best to act as if the obvious is true, but still keep an open mind.

[Joeywhat]

Originally Posted by jj79

sounds like you need a revolver...

Not really...my Glock seems to work, with over twice as much ammo through them as I ever put through my XD's.

[jj79]

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

Not really...my Glock seems to work, with over twice as much ammo through them as I ever put through my XD's.

of course...Glocks cannot fail.

[Joeywhat]

It sure has...not as often as my XD's, though.

CZ 75 also seems to work...at least it did until I decided to be a moron and get a trigger job done to it.