Taurus Judge thoughts?

[TriviaMonster]

That makes me think of Conans long running skit, In The Year 2000.

In the year 2000: 000 shot from a rifled 3" barrel will penetrate through an arm into the vitals of a 250lb man high on pcp and stop him from further attacking.

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[Mr Evilwrench]

E=MV^2. Energy (how bad it hurts) equals mass (that's the grains thing) times the velocity squared, not just proportional, but double plus proportional to the velocity. Get your projectile going faster, and it hurts more. Much more. Double the velocity, and it hurts four times as much. You know, two squared. Triple it, nine times. Just physics.

[agalindo]

It's not about hurts, it's about expansion and penetration causing bleed out. In service pistol calibers velocity is not the end all just a means to get the projectile deep into the body and expanded. Damage done to tissue via energy dump is a myth. You need enough velocity to penetrate deep and to expand the bullet to a larger diameter so that it can create a larger wound cavity. The bigger the hole the more you bleed. The faster you bleed the faster you stop moving. The actual "shock" of the bullet hitting you is not enough to cause any signifiacnt damage.

[agalindo]

Originally Posted by KlaatuBaradaNikto

Have you ever been shot with a .410? I don't really care about ballistics. Do you think you could take a three inch buckshot to the face and still keep coming for more. I really don't think that many could. So let's get back to reality.

This proves that you really don't know what your talking about. Ballistics is what makes a gun go boom, it is the most important part of choosing a weapon.
Internal ballistics, external ballistics and terminal ballistics are you friends. Learn them.

Originally Posted by KlaatuBaradaNikto

They seem to penetrate fine through most things at 15 ft. It seems effective. I fire them all the time.

They penetrate what just fine?

Any projectile that is to be seriously considered to self defense has to meet certain requirements.
1. I must reliably penetrate at least 12" of calibrated ballistics gelatin. Even when encountering light barriers such as heavy clothing, wall boards, car glass, car sheet metal and plywood.
2. It must also reliably expand after encountering tissue.


FBI Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness

Conclusion

Physiologically, no caliber or bullet is certain to incapacitate any individual unless the brain is hit. Psychologically, some individuals can be incapacitated by minor or small caliber wounds. Those individuals who are stimulated by fear, adrenaline, drugs, alcohol, and/or sheer will and survival determination may not be incapacitated even if mortally wounded.
The will to survive and to fight despite horrific damage to the body is commonplace on the battlefield, and on the street. Barring a hit to the brain, the only way to force incapacitation is to cause sufficient blood loss that the subject can no longer function, and that takes time. Even if the heart is instantly destroyed, there is sufficient oxygen in the brain to support full and complete voluntary action for 10-15 seconds.
Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock" of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth. The critical element is penetration. The bullet must pass through the large, blood bearing organs and be of sufficient diameter to promote rapid bleeding. Penetration less than 12 inches is too little, and, in the words of two of the participants in the 1987 Wound Ballistics Workshop, "too little penetration will get you killed." 42,43 Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.44

[Bluto]

Imo if you are going to use it as a snake gun fine, if not. Well lets just say there are a lot better choices out there. I'll leave it at that.

[agalindo]

Ah that explains a lot. You own more than one Judge. Ballistics, terminal ballistics in this case is the most important thing when it comes to choosing an SD weapon. You are fooling your self by thinking that media hype and loud booms or how big a hole it makes on paper of other meaningless targets is what's important.

Clearly your a Judge fan boy so if it make you happy go for it but don't try to make that snake gun on anything other than what it is. Good for those that don't know much about terminal ballistics and buy into the hype.

[cce1302]

Originally Posted by KlaatuBaradaNikto

Have you ever been shot with a .410? I don't really care about ballistics. Do you think you could take a three inch buckshot to the face and still keep coming for more. I really don't think that many could. So let's get back to reality.

Have you ever been hit with a big rock? I don't really care about ballistics. Do you think you could take a three pound rock to the face and still keep coming for more? I really don't think that many could. So let's get back to reality.

[agalindo]

You must be the terminator if you think that the scenario you just described is what will likely happen. Too much movies.
Don't need to work in a lab I read the articles put out by the FBI and independent labs that do terminal ballistics research. Yes that includes actual shootings, autopsy results, gel shots, animal tests, etc...

Coolness factor that's it. Who cares about terminal ballistics, heck any kind of ballistics if it looks cool it must be better. Proves my point, the Judge has it customer base.

[agalindo]

Duh have you not read anything I've posted?

Proves my point again.

[cce1302]

Originally Posted by KlaatuBaradaNikto

So why not get an SW .460 XVR if you are so concerned with that stuff. And make that you only weapon. You can't get much
more velocity than that.

Outside of Taurus advertising, have you ever read anything about firearms? Specifically, anything published in a book or magazine concerning ballistics, defense weapons, duty weapons, caliber effectiveness or ineffectiveness? -again, not counting any advertising.

If so, what makes you more knowledgable than the hundreds of writers and researchers and those who have compiled volumes of data and tracked the statistics? Have you ever seen anything published that agrees with your assertion that .22lr or .410 from a handgun is always effective against an aggressor?