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Law allows veterans to salute during National Anthem

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Old 10-30-2008, 07:54 PM   #1
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Law allows veterans to salute during National Anthem

VA Department of Veterans Affairs
Office of Public Affairs
Media Relations
Washington, DC 20420
(202) 461-7600
www.va.gov

News Release

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 30, 2008

New Law Authorizes Veterans' Salutes during National Anthem

WASHINGTON (Oct. 30, 200 -- Veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law that took effect this month.

"The military salute is a unique gesture of respect that marks those who have served in our nation's armed forces," said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Dr. James B. Peake. "This provision allows the application of that honor in all events involving our nation's flag."

The new provision improves upon a little known change in federal law last year that authorized veterans to render the military-style hand salute during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, but it did not address salutes during the national anthem. Last year's provision also applied to members of the armed forces while not in uniform.

Traditionally, members of the nation's veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag while wearing their organization's official head-gear.

The most recent change, authorizing hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel, was sponsored by Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, an Army veteran. It was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14.

The earlier provision authorizing hand-salutes for veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, was contained in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008, which took effect Jan. 28, 2008.

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Old 10-30-2008, 09:43 PM   #2
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Very nice.
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Old 10-30-2008, 10:48 PM   #3
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Good deal. One question on that, covered or uncovered? I'd feel odd saluting without a cover on.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:49 AM   #4
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Good deal. One question on that, covered or uncovered? I'd feel odd saluting without a cover on.
It doesn't matter. Saluting is permissible with or without a cover. It's like when you report to an officer in their office. (Remove cover as you enter the building, approach officer's desk, salute, wait for return salute, order arms.)

Since many people don't wear hats outside, you can be assured that this was discussed and deemed to be a non-issue.
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Uncovered may be an issue with us MARINES. We don't salute indoors uncovered and unarmed. That wonderful MARINE training will be hard to forget.
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Exactly why I asked Bobert and why it would feel odd. lol

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Uncovered may be an issue with us MARINES. We don't salute indoors uncovered and unarmed. That wonderful MARINE training will be hard to forget.
Marines don't salute when reporting to an officer in their office? You learn something new every day.

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1. Approach the officer at attention.
2. Halt about two paces from the officer.
3. Render the appropriate salute, and say, “Sir (Ma’am), (your name and grade)
reporting as ordered.”
4. Hold the salute until it is acknowledged.
5. Salute after business is completed and wait for the return of your salute or an
acknowledgement.
6. Take one step backward, execute an about face, and depart at attention.

f. Report to an officer indoors and unarmed.
a. When indoors, you will be uncovered. Follow the procedures above and do
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4-14. Salutes are not required when:
  • Indoors, unless reporting to an officer or when on duty as a guard.
  • A prisoner.
  • Saluting is obviously inappropriate. In any case not covered by specific instructions, render the salute.
  • Either the senior or the subordinate is wearing civilian clothes.
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Exactly why I asked Bobert and why it would feel odd. lol

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The only time I would wear cover indoors was if I was armed...ARMY reg. I see your point, but the new law says that we CAN render a salute, so it's not manditory if we're in civies.
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Marines don't salute when reporting to an officer in their office?
Yeah, I think it goes back to the days when Marines were on board ships, and part of the ship's company. I groan every time I see movies with Marines saluting uncovered and/or in doors (I think Gomer Pyle did it all the time).

Anyway, I thought it was ok to salute the flag if you have a VFW cap on. I and my fellow VFW members have been doing it forever. If I just have a ball cap, on then I remove it and hold my hand over my heart.
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Interesting, I didn't know service members weren't allowed to salute the colors when not in uniform.
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