A "real" sniper

[yocan]

Originally Posted by Cumminalong

Ever read the bible?

Ever watch the news?

Ever see an American get arrested on American soil?

Ever heard of Ruby Ridge? Waco? WTC I?

Ever see someone blow up an abortion clinic?

If you think that people are any different, in any part of the world, you my friend have a lot of growing up to do.

People are people, no matter where you go. There are fanatics here, just as there are any place else. To deny that fact is, as you so eloquently put it, THICK!

What would you do if someone operating under another flag, with the largest budget in the world, was tromping around in your yard? You can be damn sure I'd resort to anything at hand to send them packing.

Think before you speak or act, getting mad and thowing insults only makes you look like a baby.

Just for concessions and to appease your ego, fine, I'll agree with you that a "mine" is a commercially manufactured, mass produced, highly precise, indescriminate, instrument of war. Happy?

I read cnn, every story on their webpage for three years, as of which I joined the USMC, I followed the currents of their stories and they convinced me to volunteer, their opinions and their facts didn't seem to coincide.

I live in Detroit, all the time, I'm not sure what that has to do with this at all.

You have the presidents personal bodygaurds shot in the back with a 10mm and yeah people die.... (waco) The only ones using 10mms were FBI agents, I'm aware that presidents cover their crap up... and you probably say vote for Hillary, she does after all have the same handlers as her husband. (Republican or Democrat I believe they all have handlers)

Ruby Ridge, more reasons for a fedaralist government.... people claim the confederate flag is racist I don't know why.

Do you mean not WTCI but oklohoma city bombing. You know conceptually Timothy McVeigh wasn't wrong, he was just dillusional about how to accomplish anything. You can't change something in the US by attacking us, look where it got Al-qaeda. If you want to change something, fire your senators. Or better yet, look at Pearl Harbor. Attacking the US doesn't help you at all. Yes the Americans were under attack by Bill Clinton, why do you think we are so desperate to not have Another 8 years of Hillary.

Abortion clinics hang on....not in the last six months, but that is an issue of murder one way or another. Comparing apples and oranges. Maybe you could compare it to attacking our troops (I think a bit of a stretch, considering the Fanatics here view murder as happening every hour in every building), but not their own people.

Different in different parts of the world... Ok lets think for a moment. My father, runs a 2k person church and denounces it publicly, including throwing prestigious people of those groups out of our church, ordering Mormons out of the church if they insist on wearing name tags that claim association with ours. We haven't been attacked, blown up or anything like that. Do that in Iraq and your daughters will be raped, your wife stripped, hog tied and thrown in the street and your mosque blown to hell, with all the parishioners in it.

There is a difference we have freedom of religion, and while the Democrats may attack it, we still stand for it, we don't cower in fear. Even Canada is a little different,the Pastors are still standing up and saying being Gay is anti-Christian, and aren't being arrested, but aren't being physically attacked either.

This is about mainstream, not a few individual instances.

To claim people are people is fundamentally flawed, for the only common trait I've seen is that the majority of people are followers, as of which what is the norm generally stays the same until intervention, and it slowly degrades on its own though to something more primitive.

While yes they proved with the Electric torture psychology expiriments that most people would do as the Nazis did, they also found they were apalled at what they had done, the Nazis if you read about their reactions to the dead at the concentration camps had no remorse, ostensible due to being around it for so long.

All people have the same propensity for evil and good, but where they are at today is drastically different.

To quote the Japenese General "If you invaded America their would be a rifle behind every blade of grass" Not a tripwire in every house. We are allowed freedom and can use to take care of our own. We have our own power, we have more sniper rifles than any other country in the world. We won't let it be taken away, they did, they have been subjugated for centuries and do not pull themselves up by their own boot straps.

Killing someone is easy, even the president you just have to be willing to die horribly to do it. They do not have that much courage, they blow themselves up, they won't do a sniper round. I wouldn't go blowing up buildings of my own just because their are enemies in it.

Mines are generally not designed to kill, with the exception of bouncing betties. They are made to injure in a firefight so that they loose three guys. IEDs maybe could be compared to Claymores, and we don't ever use those offensively that I know of. mines are defensive in nature, prevent troop movement, blow up tanks. They aren't using them for defensive positions, if they were I doubt Marines would be so pissed about it, they are using them offensively. That is drastically different

[yocan]

Originally Posted by Cumminalong

So do you not think that we use "IED's"?

Just because an explosive is commercially produced for a specific reason, doesn't mean it's any less or more lethal.

"You ever watch the discovery channel?" "they got some good stuff on that channel" (Thank you crash)

My point is, you need to watch the discovery channel. My unit went to Iraq, they never used the mortars! They used M16s, M4s, once in a blue moon the 240 Golf. They rarely if ever used grenades, they never used the Mk19, they stopped using the 50 cal to avoid collateral damage or loss of innocent life. They don't use hollow points to limit damage. They don't use full auto to limit missed rounds. They use ACOGs to limit misses.

On the discovery channel I watched an interesting thing on bombing. GAO Launches a Dud read that it will help you out a lot. We spend Billions to spare lives, they will spend millions to get one more Iraqi dead. Please read the next quote.

GAO made quite a point that "one-target, one-bomb" efficiency was not achieved. On average, 2.2 precision guided munitions were expended per target destroyed. Smart weapons weren't perfect every time in the Gulf. Also, mission planners allocated more than one munition to targets when high probability of success was deemed necessary. The first shot was probably sufficient in many cases, but the backup round was used for insurance. Considering that it took 9,000 bombs per target in World War II and 176 bombs per target in Vietnam, a success ratio of 2.2 per target in the Gulf War is hardly grounds for complaint.

[GunnBugg]

Originally Posted by Cumminalong

Ever read the bible?

Ever watch the news?

Ever see an American get arrested on American soil?

Ever heard of Ruby Ridge? Waco? WTC I?

Ever see someone blow up an abortion clinic?

If you think that people are any different, in any part of the world, you my friend have a lot of growing up to do.

People are people, no matter where you go. There are fanatics here, just as there are any place else. To deny that fact is, as you so eloquently put it, THICK!

What would you do if someone operating under another flag, with the largest budget in the world, was tromping around in your yard? You can be damn sure I'd resort to anything at hand to send them packing.

Think before you speak or act, getting mad and thowing insults only makes you look like a baby.

Just for concessions and to appease your ego, fine, I'll agree with you that a "mine" is a commercially manufactured, mass produced, highly precise, indescriminate, instrument of war. Happy?

Having spent considerable time in and around the Arabian peninsula, I can tell you brother, that the tolerance level of Americans is much higher, no much much much higher, than Arabs. Christianity is not as much of a "I am responsible for my brother and must control him" attitude.

In the 400 + years of American history you can cite a very few examples. That many attacks happen in Saudi Arabia every year. They have to guard the entrances to all gov't bldgs with troops. They have to guard foreigners from wackos. They are always under seige and live under seige.

Yes, there are extremists of all sorts,,,,it's just that the distance from moderate to extremist in the West is WAY greater, and the willingness and empathy for the extremist is not commonplace.