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**DanTheEldest** · 11-21-2007, 08:33 PM

Things have gotten a bit frosty between the US and China as of late, but I feel bad for all the sailors looking forward to shore leave and the families who made the trip:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

Happy Thanksgiving....at the buffet line in the hangar deck.

**Krackels** · 11-21-2007, 08:51 PM

They should've fired a few over their bow.

Surely they don't think they can blockade HK without repercussions.

jtkratzer · 11-21-2007, 09:10 PM

Well, the next time they want us to buy their lead-filled crap for our kids, tell them to piss off. Or outsource to another country...

**PackerfanXD** · 11-21-2007, 09:42 PM

China never was and never will be our ally. They are the enemy we keep close.

**eric_t12** · 11-22-2007, 01:42 AM

we borrow enough money from them, and dont seem to complain about that.

i've wondered when they were going to start taking a more... up front stance.

i'm surprised its just now starting. hopefully it wont go too much farther, we're slightly stretched.

**Krackels** · 11-22-2007, 06:35 PM

I saw this on Drudge.

China's 'arsenal' spurs warnings...
By Bill Gertz
November 22, 2007

Gen. James E. Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Strategic Command commander, says that China "is actively engaging in cyber-reconnaissance by probing the computer networks of U.S. government agencies as well as private companies."
<hr>
The U.S. military is vulnerable to China's advanced war-fighting systems, including space weapons and computer attacks that would be used in a future conflict over Taiwan, according to a congressional commission's report released yesterday.

The full report of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission also provides more details than the summary released last week, showing that China is engaged in a "large-scale industrial espionage campaign" with "scores" of cases involving spies seeking U.S. technology.

The full report presents a harsh assessment of China's military buildup and plans for a war against the U.S. if Beijing decided to use force against the island nation of Taiwan.

The report provides evidence countering statements by Chinese officials, and some U.S. officials, who say China's buildup is peaceful.

"The Commission concluded that China is developing its military in ways that enhance its capacity to confront the United States," the report stated. "For example, China has developed the capability to wage cyber-warfare and to destroy surveillance satellites overhead as part of its tactical, asymmetrical warfare arsenal."

On Taiwan, the report said tensions between the island nation and China produced an "emotionally-charged stand-off that risks armed conflict if not carefully managed by both sides."

"Such a conflict could involve the United States," the report said.

The U.S. military is "significantly exposed to such attacks," because of its reliance on systems of command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, the report said.

**PackerfanXD** · 11-22-2007, 08:06 PM

Just confirms what I suspected. It won't be long now.

**trelane** · 11-22-2007, 08:51 PM

stand down, china reversed the decision.

**eric_t12** · 11-23-2007, 07:25 AM

Quote:

that would be used in a future conflict over Taiwan,

wtf? does taiwan help us in the WOT now? i thought we were fighting that.

or was it making the world safe for democracy? no, because we're just now "reviewing" our aid to Pakistan, which remains in dictato-errr, 'constitutional hold.'

**Krackels** · 11-23-2007, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric_t12

wtf? does taiwan help us in the WOT now? i thought we were fighting that.

or was it making the world safe for democracy? no, because we're just now "reviewing" our aid to Pakistan, which remains in dictato-errr, 'constitutional hold.'

Taiwan is on our side.

Taiwan is our ally. they've separated themselves from dictatorial China and want their independence.

Quote:

Gen. James E. Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Strategic Command commander, told the commission that China "is actively engaging in cyber-reconnaissance by probing the computer networks of U.S. government agencies as well as private companies."

China is a threat, and is probably one of the largest threats looming on the horizon.

Remember Red Dawn... doesn't seem so farfetched when you think about recent events.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...umsfeld19.html

11-21-2007, 08:33 PM	#1
DanTheEldest XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,107	China gives the US Navy the finger Things have gotten a bit frosty between the US and China as of late, but I feel bad for all the sailors looking forward to shore leave and the families who made the trip: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true Happy Thanksgiving....at the buffet line in the hangar deck. __________________ The AK-47: Designed to be field-stripped and used effectively by a half-drunk, half-frozen illiterate conscript who found it buried in Mother Russia's mud after last year's Regiment exercises. SOP: retrieve from ground, pee in action, cycle bolt, go back to work. I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. --Martin Luther

11-21-2007, 08:51 PM	#2
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11-22-2007, 06:35 PM	#6
Krackels XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 18,386 Blog Entries: 5	I saw this on Drudge. China's 'arsenal' spurs warnings... By Bill Gertz November 22, 2007 Gen. James E. Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Strategic Command commander, says that China "is actively engaging in cyber-reconnaissance by probing the computer networks of U.S. government agencies as well as private companies." <hr> The U.S. military is vulnerable to China's advanced war-fighting systems, including space weapons and computer attacks that would be used in a future conflict over Taiwan, according to a congressional commission's report released yesterday. The full report of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission also provides more details than the summary released last week, showing that China is engaged in a "large-scale industrial espionage campaign" with "scores" of cases involving spies seeking U.S. technology. The full report presents a harsh assessment of China's military buildup and plans for a war against the U.S. if Beijing decided to use force against the island nation of Taiwan. The report provides evidence countering statements by Chinese officials, and some U.S. officials, who say China's buildup is peaceful. "The Commission concluded that China is developing its military in ways that enhance its capacity to confront the United States," the report stated. "For example, China has developed the capability to wage cyber-warfare and to destroy surveillance satellites overhead as part of its tactical, asymmetrical warfare arsenal." On Taiwan, the report said tensions between the island nation and China produced an "emotionally-charged stand-off that risks armed conflict if not carefully managed by both sides." "Such a conflict could involve the United States," the report said. The U.S. military is "significantly exposed to such attacks," because of its reliance on systems of command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, the report said. __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin "Freedom is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to all humanity"-- Guess! PA Roll Call .................... My Blog

11-22-2007, 08:06 PM	#7
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11-22-2007, 08:51 PM	#8
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