What is the difference? (help a noob out)

[waynes_world_45]

Originally Posted by speeddeacon

What, are you a dentist?

now that there is funny

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by Ishpeck

IPSC is considered silly by Jim Cirillo. IPSC allows lots of meta-game stuff and race guns.

IDPA is considered good training by Jim Cirillo. IDPA emphasizes practical combat training in the rules.

IDPA is a game too and it has some very stupid rules that if you did them on the street you would die. I like IDPA and USPSA but they are games not training and they should not be thought of as training.
Pat

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by drawson

USPSA is the branch of the internation IPSC orginization.

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You can shoot local USPSA matches as much as you want w/o joining USPSA, IDPA you only can shoot one match was a non member.

That is a club level issue we have plenty of non IDPA members shooting our matches for years.
Pat

[vafish]

Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

That is a club level issue we have plenty of non IDPA members shooting our matches for years.
Pat

Pat your club may want to look into this.

I'm not real familiar with IDPA, but it could become more than a club issue if IDPA links their insurance to membership. It won't become an issue until something bad happens and then the insurance carrier says "what you weren't following IDPA rules, well we aren't going to cover you"

Also membership is only $40 a year, if you are shooting more than 1 match a year you really ought to support the body that organizes your sport by joining it. A lot of sports solve the problem by charging extra for non-members to shoot.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally Posted by vafish

Pat your club may want to look into this.

I'm not real familiar with IDPA, but it could become more than a club issue if IDPA links their insurance to membership. It won't become an issue until something bad happens and then the insurance carrier says "what you weren't following IDPA rules, well we aren't going to cover you"

Also membership is only $40 a year, if you are shooting more than 1 match a year you really ought to support the body that organizes your sport by joining it. A lot of sports solve the problem by charging extra for non-members to shoot.

I am an IDPA member but a lot who shoot are not. I can check into it.
Pat

[Edubya]

I believe that you will want to read the whole story; here is an excerpt:
Sergeant Joe Volpato, acting commander of the Stakeout Unit when I visited there in the early 1970s, told me that reconstruction showed that Cirillo had fired six rounds, and shot all three armed felons, in three seconds.
Jim told me at the beginning of the fight he was so scared his tongue was stuck to the roof of his mouth; but when his .38 came up and he saw a sight picture, a strange calm seemed to descend upon him, as if something was telling him he was in his world, on his turf, now. Automatic pilot took over as his finger rolled the trigger, the way it did in PPC matches, of which he had already won so many. Jim experienced a phenomenon known as psychological splitting, a sense there were two of him. There was a passive, “Conscious” Jim, who focused on the front sights and watched the blurred figures he was aiming at react to the shots, as Conscious Jim thought to himself, “Who the hell is shooting my gun?” And there was the active, “Subconscious” Jim, who was tracking the moving targets and smoothly stroking the double action S&W’s trigger.
Cirillo would later write, “I could not comprehend how I was able to take out three gunmen when I was so consumed with fear prior to the gunfight. I dared not speak of the strange phenomenon where I felt that someone else was shooting my revolver. Later, I understood that this miraculous reaction, which most probably saved my life, came from the subconscious … It was now evident to me that the subconscious can take over during moments of great stress. When it does take over, it is infallible — it can only achieve perfection. The shots that I made in that first gunfight were so precise and so quick that I have never been able to duplicate the feat at a range on paper targets.”
To fully understand why Jim’s performance that day, some 40 years ago, has become so widely recognized as a genuine “feat of arms,” one has to remember the distances involved. Jim fired those shots at 60 to 75 feet — up to 25 yards — from the perpetrators, in a crowded market, shooting two of the perps out from behind a human shield.
American Handgunner The Ayoob Files

[The Knight Of Light]

I shoot anything that is available. I might even try for the IDPA Classifier again so I can maintain my class and shoot the nationals or some state level matches for the heck of it.

Both are fun games and both will increase your shooting skill level. Take advice and simply nod and smile when people talk smack about either "game".

They are games and have their individual rules. Play the game and don't get caught in the debates.

The debate will continue for a long time.

It is best to let the debaters loose the match while they debate.

I will study the course of fire!

[Paragon]

Don't forget: IDPA is drawing from concealment. It's good for those who carry and like a little more "excitement" in their practice.

I prefer IPSC myself. Drop the mag and go.

[The Knight Of Light]

Originally Posted by Paragon

Don't forget: IDPA is drawing from concealment. It's good for those who carry and like a little more "excitement" in their practice.

I prefer IPSC myself. Drop the mag and go.

That depends on the course of fire.

Also reload from retention is no longer required unless specified in the course of fire. Reloading/shooting from behind cover and some gear rules are the main differences between USPSA and IDPA.

[ScottsdaleSteve]

All you USPSA guys, don't flame me for this, because I shoot both USPSA and IDPA and like them both. But USPSA is kind of "run and gun". You are timed, and you blast targets in any order, and you can reload wherever/whenever you want. It's fun. But I prefer IDPA where there is a little more strategy involved. You have to engage targets in a particular order, and you have to reload behing cover. As I said, both are fun, but IDPA penalizes stupidity and makes you think a little more, whereas USPSA is more about speed.