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KYDoc · 10-02-2006, 04:11 AM

I've shot 3 USPSA matches now with an XD 40 shooting WWB.

I've been shooting production -- of course the 40 factory load is a major load. I think I've been shooting reasonably well for a beginner, and I know practice will obviously help.

I was wondering about the scoring, however. Since it's all scored minor in production, my C hits hurt me more than usual -- and I theoretically have a slight disadvantage against equal shooters with 9mms or reloaders. Yet when I shoot all As I am pretty slow. Time seems to be more heavily weighted than accuracy. Yet I am afraid that when I rush it, the 40 is less accurate, thus increasing the Cs, which are then scored MINOR.

The options I see it, (besides practice more with what I have - that's a given), are

1) Load my own light loads (still negotiating within household on this step)
2) Trade 40 for a 9
3) Shoot Limited 10 and score major.

The third is the cheapest option, but it puts me up against guns with more customization, while I have one that is otherwise production legal.

Any thoughts from the more experienced shooters on this situation? Is it possible to be seriously competitive shooting production with a 40 with factory loads?

Thanks

**Bycyclist** · 10-02-2006, 06:45 AM

I'm not really experienced in this competition stuff, but have relevant feedback. I just took a class with Matt Burkett in Practical Shooting over the weekend, shooting my XD40. Conclusion: I'm trading/selling my XD40 for a 9mm or 1911. I let him try my gun on a couple of my drills....I won't quote what he exclaimed in polite company. ; ) I noticed unbelievable difference in my shooting trying out others guns vs. my own.

XD40 is great for carry and home defense - not good for competition IMHO (and Matts). You'll have to work alot harder to be both fast and accurate with the XD40.

Paul · 10-02-2006, 06:53 AM

I'm new at this too but had to make these decisions.

I would evaluate what your objective ie. to be a better shooter, have fun, win class every time, be competive, etc.

Look at limited and limited 10 results and see how you would fare. I bought a 9MM and intent to consider the 40 a "protection" and fun shooting gun. I think it will be hard to be competitive in Production with a 40. From the results of the last local match there is a good shooter in production here. I think his score would win Limited 10.

I bet nobody shoots a XD40 in USPSA competition?

R/T Performance · 10-02-2006, 07:05 AM

I also faced this decision a while back

First bought Dillon SDB Loader.
(Shot light loads in Production pretty much all year)
Xd-40 Tac, tru glow fo sights, cc trigger ,cr speed belt ,safariland holster(5186), Speed comp mag pouches.
I made 3rd and 6th place finish. Also got classfiied D

.
Then the last club match I decide to shoot my 45 acp 1911 in Single stack Major of course.
I got first

Stock 1911 Loaded with a slight tweaked myself trigger ,Hume belt ,blade tech double mag carriers and holster.
Know I think I am going to go big button mag realse,Mag well and go l10 with the Xd.
It's very hard to compare major minor l10 vs production.
If you are going to compete allot better just get a loader.
You won't save money but you will shoot twice as much for the same cost

vafish · 10-02-2006, 07:12 AM

When I shoot the XD40 in USPSA I just go for Limited 10 division.

But I have a Glock 17 in 9mm for Production.

Like Paul said you really have to look at what you want to do with the sport.

I've shot my Glock 36 in Limited 10 just because it's my daily carry gun and I wanted more practice with it.

I'd a D classified shooter in production, my scores in most other stages are well up there with the C and above shooters, but I aways seem to stuff up the classifiers.

R/T Performance · 10-02-2006, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vafish

When I shoot the XD40 in USPSA I just go for Limited 10 division.

But I have a Glock 17 in 9mm for Production.

Like Paul said you really have to look at what you want to do with the sport.

I've shot my Glock 36 in Limited 10 just because it's my daily carry gun and I wanted more practice with it.

I'd a D classified shooter in production, my scores in most other stages are well up there with the C and above shooters, but I aways seem to stuff up the classifiers.

I am whaiting to get hollerd at for sand bagging.No matter if I shoot the classfiers early or late my brain never functions

Tim James · 10-02-2006, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bycyclist

I'm not really experienced in this competition stuff, but have relevant feedback. I just took a class with Matt Burkett in Practical Shooting over the weekend, shooting my XD40. Conclusion: I'm trading/selling my XD40 for a 9mm or 1911. I let him try my gun on a couple of my drills....I won't quote what he exclaimed in polite company. ; ) I noticed unbelievable difference in my shooting trying out others guns vs. my own.

XD40 is great for carry and home defense - not good for competition IMHO (and Matts). You'll have to work alot harder to be both fast and accurate with the XD40.

Is this just because of the extra recoil? Care to elaborate on your experience and what Matt said?

I shot a Glock 35 once in Production with regular .40 caliber WWB ammo, and it didn't seem that bad. Is there something wrong with the XD in .40 for practical shooting?

Steel1212 · 10-02-2006, 03:17 PM

If your shooting WWB and not reloading minor .40 loads shoot in L10. My choice is for you to reload and the 40 will be softer than a 9mm and leave bigger holes. Bigger holes means a better chance of edging that A from a C. I just switched from a 9mm 1911 shooting L10 and was going to shoot my tac 40 but a friend wanted to shoot so I let him shoot that. I shot my new 1911. He did very well and would have done real well if the reloads he did would have chambered....I told him to get a FCD!

Anyway long story longer. Get a reloader and load to minor. I got a lee 4 hole turret and love it with the auto primer and auto measure!

lodraw · 10-02-2006, 04:47 PM

All this sure sounds familiar to me. My advice would be stay with your .40 service. Great gun. Not a thing wrong with it. For now, buy minor reloads from Danny W. at...

http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/index.htm

Reasonable and reliable. 180gr TCJ coming in around 135 PF. Mouse farts compared to WWB. I'm reloading again myself. And to be honest with you I'd rather take a beating. I shoot L10 with my .40 Tactical. I worked up a soft shooting load that I can produce quickly without wanting to open a vein. It's all good.

Your scores. Dry fire your a$$ off. I shoot with the best in the business every weekend. Notably Matt Burkett, Angus Hobdell and the great one himself Rob Leatham. I hate all of them.

Seriously, they great people. And even better to shoot with. They have one common thread, they are extremely hard workers. You only get out of this game what you put into it. This explains why I'm always in the bottom third of the score sheet.

I'm very pleased to hear we have a new shooter in USPSA. Welcome aboard. Please feel free to PM me anytime with questions or concerns about "the game".

KYDoc · 10-02-2006, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lodraw

All this sure sounds familiar to me. My advice would be stay with your .40 service. Great gun. Not a thing wrong with it. For now, buy minor reloads from Danny W. at...

http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/index.htm

Reasonable and reliable. 180gr TCJ coming in around 135 PF. Mouse farts compared to WWB. I'm reloading again myself. And to be honest with you I'd rather take a beating. I shoot L10 with my .40 Tactical. I worked up a soft shooting load that I can produce quickly without wanting to open a vein. It's all good.

Your scores. Dry fire your a$$ off. I shoot with the best in the business every weekend. Notably Matt Burkett, Angus Hobdell and the great one himself Rob Leatham. I hate all of them.

Seriously, they great people. And even better to shoot with. They have one common thread, they are extremely hard workers. You only get out of this game what you put into it. This explains why I'm always in the bottom third of the score sheet.

I'm very pleased to hear we have a new shooter in USPSA. Welcome aboard. Please feel free to PM me anytime with questions or concerns about "the game".

Thanks all for the thoughts. Not a bad idea to try out the atlanta arms 40 lite and see if it makes a difference, then go from there.

As for what I want out of shooting: I just want to go have fun, but I'm such a competitive SOB that I want to keep improving each time I shoot, and maybe give some of the other shooters a run for their money

.

Overall, I have a long way to go, and I know that my ammo choice/gun choice alone won't get me there. I'm going to have to practice a TON if I really want to get better, but I just wanted to make sure with the equipment that I have that I am shooting in an appropriate class and am giving myself a fair shot.

10-02-2006, 04:11 AM	#1
KYDoc XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 1,025	XD 40 Service in Production: Questions I've shot 3 USPSA matches now with an XD 40 shooting WWB. I've been shooting production -- of course the 40 factory load is a major load. I think I've been shooting reasonably well for a beginner, and I know practice will obviously help. I was wondering about the scoring, however. Since it's all scored minor in production, my C hits hurt me more than usual -- and I theoretically have a slight disadvantage against equal shooters with 9mms or reloaders. Yet when I shoot all As I am pretty slow. Time seems to be more heavily weighted than accuracy. Yet I am afraid that when I rush it, the 40 is less accurate, thus increasing the Cs, which are then scored MINOR. The options I see it, (besides practice more with what I have - that's a given), are 1) Load my own light loads (still negotiating within household on this step) 2) Trade 40 for a 9 3) Shoot Limited 10 and score major. The third is the cheapest option, but it puts me up against guns with more customization, while I have one that is otherwise production legal. Any thoughts from the more experienced shooters on this situation? Is it possible to be seriously competitive shooting production with a 40 with factory loads? Thanks

10-02-2006, 06:45 AM	#2
Bycyclist XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NorCaliforneeya Posts: 1,829	I'm not really experienced in this competition stuff, but have relevant feedback. I just took a class with Matt Burkett in Practical Shooting over the weekend, shooting my XD40. Conclusion: I'm trading/selling my XD40 for a 9mm or 1911. I let him try my gun on a couple of my drills....I won't quote what he exclaimed in polite company. ; ) I noticed unbelievable difference in my shooting trying out others guns vs. my own. XD40 is great for carry and home defense - not good for competition IMHO (and Matts). You'll have to work alot harder to be both fast and accurate with the XD40. __________________ =============================================== BYcyclist - the worst day on a ride (or at the range) is better than the best day in the office ===============================================

10-02-2006, 06:53 AM	#3
Paul XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,648	I'm new at this too but had to make these decisions. I would evaluate what your objective ie. to be a better shooter, have fun, win class every time, be competive, etc. Look at limited and limited 10 results and see how you would fare. I bought a 9MM and intent to consider the 40 a "protection" and fun shooting gun. I think it will be hard to be competitive in Production with a 40. From the results of the last local match there is a good shooter in production here. I think his score would win Limited 10. I bet nobody shoots a XD40 in USPSA competition? __________________ Paul Last edited by Paul; 10-02-2006 at 06:59 AM.

10-02-2006, 07:05 AM	#4
R/T Performance XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Saranac Mi Posts: 3,491	I also faced this decision a while back First bought Dillon SDB Loader. (Shot light loads in Production pretty much all year) Xd-40 Tac, tru glow fo sights, cc trigger ,cr speed belt ,safariland holster(5186), Speed comp mag pouches. I made 3rd and 6th place finish. Also got classfiied D . Then the last club match I decide to shoot my 45 acp 1911 in Single stack Major of course. I got first Stock 1911 Loaded with a slight tweaked myself trigger ,Hume belt ,blade tech double mag carriers and holster. Know I think I am going to go big button mag realse,Mag well and go l10 with the Xd. It's very hard to compare major minor l10 vs production. If you are going to compete allot better just get a loader. You won't save money but you will shoot twice as much for the same cost __________________ XD-9 Tacticle Tru-glow tfo's 3# Canyoncreek trigger Dillon Rl550 1911 Springfield Champion loaded 45 acp Kahr p40 Watch me shoot http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32660329653237

10-02-2006, 07:12 AM	#5
vafish XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,239	When I shoot the XD40 in USPSA I just go for Limited 10 division. But I have a Glock 17 in 9mm for Production. Like Paul said you really have to look at what you want to do with the sport. I've shot my Glock 36 in Limited 10 just because it's my daily carry gun and I wanted more practice with it. I'd a D classified shooter in production, my scores in most other stages are well up there with the C and above shooters, but I aways seem to stuff up the classifiers. __________________ \"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees. If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children.\" -- Confucius

10-02-2006, 03:17 PM	#8
Steel1212 XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Bluegrass Posts: 566	If your shooting WWB and not reloading minor .40 loads shoot in L10. My choice is for you to reload and the 40 will be softer than a 9mm and leave bigger holes. Bigger holes means a better chance of edging that A from a C. I just switched from a 9mm 1911 shooting L10 and was going to shoot my tac 40 but a friend wanted to shoot so I let him shoot that. I shot my new 1911. He did very well and would have done real well if the reloads he did would have chambered....I told him to get a FCD! Anyway long story longer. Get a reloader and load to minor. I got a lee 4 hole turret and love it with the auto primer and auto measure!

10-02-2006, 04:47 PM	#9
lodraw XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mesa, Arizona. Shooting Capital of the Known Universe Posts: 230	All this sure sounds familiar to me. My advice would be stay with your .40 service. Great gun. Not a thing wrong with it. For now, *buy* minor reloads from Danny W. at... http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/index.htm Reasonable and reliable. 180gr TCJ coming in around 135 PF. Mouse farts compared to WWB. I'm reloading again myself. And to be honest with you I'd rather take a beating. I shoot L10 with my .40 Tactical. I worked up a soft shooting load that I can produce quickly without wanting to open a vein. It's all good. Your scores. Dry fire your a$$ off. I shoot with the best in the business every weekend. Notably Matt Burkett, Angus Hobdell and the great one himself Rob Leatham. I hate all of them. Seriously, they great people. And even better to shoot with. They have one common thread, they are extremely hard workers. You only get out of this game what you put into it. This explains why I'm always in the bottom third of the score sheet. I'm very pleased to hear we have a new shooter in USPSA. Welcome aboard. Please feel free to PM me anytime with questions or concerns about "the game". __________________ Bulgarian Mak 9x18 XD Service 9x19 XD Tactical 40S&W w/Canyon Creek melted Bomars and his trigger. Swingline Staple Gun 5/16'' Beretta 390 12ga http://www.brianenos.com/forums/ http://uspsa.org/entrypage.shtml

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