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**R Dub** · 01-04-2005, 08:28 PM

Copied from email:
Greetings Members and Happy New Year!

Headquarters is pleased to announce that we have completed the revision to the International Defensive Pistol Association Rulebook and it will be placed online and become effective on Thursday, January 6, 2005. The web address is: www.idpa.com. Understandably, everyone will want to see the results as quickly as possible, but realize that our server will not be able to process everyone’s request at once. So please be patient if your download is slow and realize that there may be 12,000 other people trying to have access to the same information.

This has been a collaborative effort that has taken over two years to complete. We were more interested in making comprehensive changes that should carry the sport well into the future, than making quick changes. We looked at questions that had been posed to HQ via e-mail, regular mail, phone and in person for the areas that needed to be clarified or redefined. We also specifically gathered information from the Area Coordinators and previous National Match Directors.

Obviously we did not make every specific change that each individual requested as that would have created utter chaos. We did look at the areas that we had obtained the most information and questions on, and tried to make changes for the good of the sport. So, if you sent information in but the revision didn’t go your way, we’re sorry but we had reasons for all the changes that we made. And we thank you for your input – all of it was valuable.

As you will see, the content of the book really didn’t change but the format did. We worked really hard at getting all the like issues together in specific sections. Hopefully you won’t have to look all over the book to find information on a specific topic like ‘cover’ for example.

Yes, there are a couple of dramatic changes. First, we have eliminated the holster list. We’re trying to work with criteria so that match directors and safety officers don’t have to try to learn about every holster maker and every model of holster out there to know whether it’s legal or not. In too many cases, holster makers developed a product, sent it to Headquarters for approval, and then changed it to an unapproved version before they actually sold it to competitors. Second, the Enhanced Service Revolver division has been added (this will be interesting). Hopefully this will level the playing field for the revolver enthusiasts. We realize that it further dilutes a small pool of shooters, but it seemed a better option than possibly excluding the use of full moon clips

We will be printing the rulebook in the near future and you will receive a copy at your next renewal. If you are a charter life member or have renewed for longer than one year, we will be systematically sending your copies within this year. We thank you for your patience as we get over 12,000 copies mailed to the membership. We will also be sending bundles of rulebooks to the clubs for their use. We thank you for your patience as we handle this distribution as efficiently as possible.

We chose to send a mass e-mail regarding the new rulebook to hopefully give everyone the same opportunity to review the work. You may choose to unsubscribe to any future e-mailings, but this is obviously the fastest way to get information to the membership. It is the only mailing that HQ has sent in the last five years, so we’ll try not to bug you too much.

Thanks for your time in reading this letter and your patience with the evolution of the sport. Your opinions do matter to us.

Sincerely,

Joyce L. Wilson, Director

International Defensive Pistol Association

2232 CR 719

Berryville, AR 72616

Phone: 870-545-3886

Fax: 870-545-3894

www.idpa.com

info@idpa.com

LeMat · 01-05-2005, 02:04 AM

Well, I downloaded it (the Word version). I may be blind as a bat, but I don't see anything about any "Enhanced Service Revolver" division. It says "Updated" on their site, but I don't see anything different.

Snake-eater 1 · 01-05-2005, 02:47 AM

When I checked last night, they still had the 2001 version posted. I don't think the new version gets posted until tomorrow.

papasmurf · 01-05-2005, 05:46 AM

It will be interesting to see if the xd and glock are finally classified together, hopefully in ssp.

LeMat · 01-05-2005, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake-eater 1

When I checked last night, they still had the 2001 version posted. I don't think the new version gets posted until tomorrow.

Yep, I only saw the flashy, red "Update" and not the "5-2-2001" that followed it.

That, coupled with this: "it will be placed online and become effective on Thursday, January 6, 2005." mentioned in original email, only reaffirms the fact that I'm a complete idiot! :P

papasmurf · 01-05-2005, 02:24 PM

It's on there now. I didn't see a list of approved guns for each division, but I think the verbage still puts the xd in esp.

**Old School** · 01-05-2005, 02:39 PM

here is a link: http://www.eastontacticalops.com/rulebook/rulebook.pdf

**R Dub** · 01-05-2005, 09:21 PM

I can say that I'm not overly happy about the enhanced revolver division criteria. And the new mag pouch and speedloader/moon clip carrier rules.
They tout that its not about an equipment race, but to allow 7, & 8 shot wheel guns into a new division and put the traditional 6 shot guns in it just because they use moom clips sure sound like a race to me.
And make it a 165 PF with 9mm is stupid. I know the first time I'm the SO and some feller shows up with his 9mm home brew reloads loaded to 165 PF, I'm standing to the rear and wearing a flak vest when I push the buzzer.

**Old School** · 01-06-2005, 02:00 AM

I have a few concerns. First, a belt can be no more than 1.75" wide, which means I need to buy a new belt.

Second, their new ruling on holsters has eliminated 90%+ of the holsters available in the market and used throughout the years; a majority of which are synthetic holster.

In the end, I think many are going to stop shooting IDPA and start shooting USPSA because of the equipment restrictions. Heck, you would think they have an investment in leather holdings are their rules basically say that leather holsters and belts are good, synthetic holsters and belts are bad. Roto-Holsters are now evil!

LeMat · 01-06-2005, 02:37 AM

So if I'm reading this correctly, it states that the current variation of the Uncle Mike's Kydex is not approved. That lends me to believe that the older style still is. And what's the deal with not being able to have an adjustable cant?! As long as it's not adjusted in a forward position, what's the big friggin' deal?!?!?!

All I can say is that as a Match Director of our small club up here, unless the guy's using a race rig, I'm letting him shoot. If you wanna go shoot a "big" match, then by all means, stick to the rules. But I'm not going to penalize some guy just because I can see some light through his friggin' belt loops!

When (notice I say "when") the day comes that they tell me I can't use my Langdon holster (uh-oh, it was designed by a man that whooped a$$, it must be "gamey"

), that's the day I hang up my IDPA hat.

Next thing you know, we'll be required to have thumbsnaps and covered mag pouches. Man this chaps my a$$!!!

We have to have faith in our MD's and SO's to use their heads and have some common sense when applying these new rules.

01-04-2005, 08:28 PM	#1
R Dub XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Last Frontier Posts: 3,581 Blog Entries: 1	New IDPA Rule Book Copied from email: Greetings Members and Happy New Year! Headquarters is pleased to announce that we have completed the revision to the International Defensive Pistol Association Rulebook and it will be placed online and become effective on Thursday, January 6, 2005. The web address is: www.idpa.com. Understandably, everyone will want to see the results as quickly as possible, but realize that our server will not be able to process everyone’s request at once. So please be patient if your download is slow and realize that there may be 12,000 other people trying to have access to the same information. This has been a collaborative effort that has taken over two years to complete. We were more interested in making comprehensive changes that should carry the sport well into the future, than making quick changes. We looked at questions that had been posed to HQ via e-mail, regular mail, phone and in person for the areas that needed to be clarified or redefined. We also specifically gathered information from the Area Coordinators and previous National Match Directors. Obviously we did not make every specific change that each individual requested as that would have created utter chaos. We did look at the areas that we had obtained the most information and questions on, and tried to make changes for the good of the sport. So, if you sent information in but the revision didn’t go your way, we’re sorry but we had reasons for all the changes that we made. And we thank you for your input – all of it was valuable. As you will see, the content of the book really didn’t change but the format did. We worked really hard at getting all the like issues together in specific sections. Hopefully you won’t have to look all over the book to find information on a specific topic like ‘cover’ for example. Yes, there are a couple of dramatic changes. First, we have eliminated the holster list. We’re trying to work with criteria so that match directors and safety officers don’t have to try to learn about every holster maker and every model of holster out there to know whether it’s legal or not. In too many cases, holster makers developed a product, sent it to Headquarters for approval, and then changed it to an unapproved version before they actually sold it to competitors. Second, the Enhanced Service Revolver division has been added (this will be interesting). Hopefully this will level the playing field for the revolver enthusiasts. We realize that it further dilutes a small pool of shooters, but it seemed a better option than possibly excluding the use of full moon clips We will be printing the rulebook in the near future and you will receive a copy at your next renewal. If you are a charter life member or have renewed for longer than one year, we will be systematically sending your copies within this year. We thank you for your patience as we get over 12,000 copies mailed to the membership. We will also be sending bundles of rulebooks to the clubs for their use. We thank you for your patience as we handle this distribution as efficiently as possible. We chose to send a mass e-mail regarding the new rulebook to hopefully give everyone the same opportunity to review the work. You may choose to unsubscribe to any future e-mailings, but this is obviously the fastest way to get information to the membership. It is the only mailing that HQ has sent in the last five years, so we’ll try not to bug you too much. Thanks for your time in reading this letter and your patience with the evolution of the sport. Your opinions do matter to us. Sincerely, Joyce L. Wilson, Director International Defensive Pistol Association 2232 CR 719 Berryville, AR 72616 Phone: 870-545-3886 Fax: 870-545-3894 www.idpa.com info@idpa.com

01-05-2005, 02:04 AM	#2
LeMat XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NW Montana Posts: 83	Well, I downloaded it (the Word version). I may be blind as a bat, but I don't see anything about any "Enhanced Service Revolver" division. It says "Updated" on their site, but I don't see anything different. __________________ For it is the doom of men that they forget...

01-05-2005, 02:47 AM	#3
Snake-eater 1 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Quinque, VA Posts: 2,653	When I checked last night, they still had the 2001 version posted. I don't think the new version gets posted until tomorrow. __________________ ----------------------------------------------- "Too soon, old. Too late, smart" anon

01-05-2005, 05:46 AM	#4
papasmurf XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: north carolina Posts: 22	It will be interesting to see if the xd and glock are finally classified together, hopefully in ssp. __________________ Sig 226 9mm Sig 229 40 Beretta 92fs vertec inox Glock 17 Caspian arms 1911 New Vaquero 45 Accusport Bisley 45lc/45acp Bushmaster ar15

01-05-2005, 02:24 PM	#6
papasmurf XDTalk Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: north carolina Posts: 22	It's on there now. I didn't see a list of approved guns for each division, but I think the verbage still puts the xd in esp. __________________ Sig 226 9mm Sig 229 40 Beretta 92fs vertec inox Glock 17 Caspian arms 1911 New Vaquero 45 Accusport Bisley 45lc/45acp Bushmaster ar15

01-05-2005, 02:39 PM	#7
Old School XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 7,583	here is a link: http://www.eastontacticalops.com/rulebook/rulebook.pdf __________________ Visit www.pistolgear.com for all of your XD needs!

01-05-2005, 09:21 PM	#8
R Dub XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Last Frontier Posts: 3,581 Blog Entries: 1	I can say that I'm not overly happy about the enhanced revolver division criteria. And the new mag pouch and speedloader/moon clip carrier rules. They tout that its not about an equipment race, but to allow 7, & 8 shot wheel guns into a new division and put the traditional 6 shot guns in it just because they use moom clips sure sound like a race to me. And make it a 165 PF with 9mm is stupid. I know the first time I'm the SO and some feller shows up with his 9mm home brew reloads loaded to 165 PF, I'm standing to the rear and wearing a flak vest when I push the buzzer.

01-06-2005, 02:00 AM	#9
Old School XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 7,583	I have a few concerns. First, a belt can be no more than 1.75" wide, which means I need to buy a new belt. Second, their new ruling on holsters has eliminated 90%+ of the holsters available in the market and used throughout the years; a majority of which are synthetic holster. In the end, I think many are going to stop shooting IDPA and start shooting USPSA because of the equipment restrictions. Heck, you would think they have an investment in leather holdings are their rules basically say that leather holsters and belts are good, synthetic holsters and belts are bad. Roto-Holsters are now evil! __________________ Visit www.pistolgear.com for all of your XD needs!

01-06-2005, 02:37 AM	#10
LeMat XDTalk Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NW Montana Posts: 83	So if I'm reading this correctly, it states that the *current* variation of the Uncle Mike's Kydex is not approved. That lends me to believe that the older style still is. And what's the deal with not being able to have an adjustable cant?! As long as it's not adjusted in a forward position, what's the big friggin' deal?!?!?! All I can say is that as a Match Director of our small club up here, unless the guy's using a race rig, I'm letting him shoot. If you wanna go shoot a "big" match, then by all means, stick to the rules. But I'm not going to penalize some guy just because I can see some light through his friggin' belt loops! When (notice I say "when") the day comes that they tell me I can't use my Langdon holster (uh-oh, it was designed by a man that whooped a$$, it must be "gamey" ), that's the day I hang up my IDPA hat. Next thing you know, we'll be required to have thumbsnaps and covered mag pouches. Man this chaps my a$$!!! We have to have faith in our MD's and SO's to use their heads and have some common sense when applying these new rules. __________________ For it is the doom of men that they forget...

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