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dzsmith · 11-12-2011, 01:31 PM

Ron Paul 2012. Gotta love it. I must say though a whole lot of ppl think he's an isolationist, so that must be why this guy did . He bought into the bias media. Go to Ron Pauls website man it's quiet wonderful.

brianucf · 11-12-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AZXD

You have just shown that the propaganda has gotten to you, and that you have not researched his potision and foreign policy ... Congratulations

Now run on over to the political section of this forum, and do some reading about his foreign policy and how he is not an "isolationist" but is actually a non-interventionist.

Perhaps you should start with this thread:
NO ONE would mess with a Ron Paul President, he is petrifying
and
FOREIGN POLICY DOSSIER: Ron Paul
then proceed to do some more research, because you have no clue about he or I.

And I have no problem with a non-interventionist who can say "You go wo war to win, and then you come home".

He's not your typical nation building moronic politician

#1- I have not done the research into Ron Paul, nor am I willing to spend the time because I do not agree with enough of what he has to say to put the effort and time into understanding him more. Maybe I will when and if he ever becomes a front-runner.

#2- I apologize if I have offended you and/or him but from the few debates I have watched him, I concluded on my own that he was an Isolationist. I doubt if I am the only one who jumped to that conclusion as the rhetoric seems similar- if only superficially.

#3- You are insinuating that I am uninformed because I do not intimately know the politics of your candidate and I need to do more research. Can you honestly say that you are this familiar with all of the other candidates? Would I be wrong to tell you that you need to do more research on all of them?

dzsmith · 11-12-2011, 01:36 PM

Nothing is going to happen, I'm active duty service, there isn't that much concern as of yet. Don't let the media blow it out of proportion. But it would be my pleasure to so them stinking towel heads wiped off the globe if it could happen with world war type reprocussions

dzsmith · 11-12-2011, 01:42 PM

Most ppl ate bias meaning they really only know about what they support. It's natural. Can't argue with u there, but Herman Cain I think has shot himself down, and I like Rick perry but he just don't interest me the way Ron Paul. Even if Ron was an isolationist, hek I wouldn't even have a problem with it. I typically vote for a vet, Rick and Ron are the only two, so that narrows it down to Ron, he matches my personality. But other than Ron Rick and herman. I haven't researched other canidates

brianucf · 11-12-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dzsmith

Ron Paul 2012. Gotta love it. I must say though a whole lot of ppl think he's an isolationist, so that must be why this guy did . He bought into the bias media. Go to Ron Pauls website man it's quiet wonderful.

Actually I have not bought into the bias media- I came to that conclusion on my own- I don't remember any media telling me he was an Isolationist. I don't think he even gets that much media attention- positive or negative- because his poll numbers are not high enough.

I am afraid to pay too much attention to the race (although I do follow it and I am interested) because its so early and I worry that Obama may pick up steam in time to get reelected.

AZXD · 11-12-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dzsmith

Ron Paul 2012. Gotta love it. I must say though a whole lot of ppl think he's an isolationist, so that must be why this guy did . He bought into the bias media. Go to Ron Pauls website man it's quiet wonderful.

The media is very effective at what it does.

During the 2008 debates, FOX did their best to destroy the man with their version of his positions and policies, and then, after the debates ended, they started inviting him on as a regular guest, to discuss economics ... I found it sadly comical that they could call him a nut case, yet rely on him for opinion on anything except foreign policy.

AZXD · 11-12-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by brianucf

#1- I have not done the research into Ron Paul, nor am I willing to spend the time because I do not agree with enough of what he has to say to put the effort and time into understanding him more. Maybe I will when and if he ever becomes a front-runner.

#2- I apologize if I have offended you and/or him but from the few debates I have watched him, I concluded on my own that he was an Isolationist. I doubt if I am the only one who jumped to that conclusion as the rhetoric seems similar- if only superficially.

#3- You are insinuating that I am uninformed because I do not intimately know the politics of your candidate and I need to do more research. Can you honestly say that you are this familiar with all of the other candidates? Would I be wrong to tell you that you need to do more research on all of them?

To item #1 ... That's your loss, and your potentially wasted vote because you will be uninformed, if you do not research ALL the candidates, and choose the one who best aligns with your personal perspective of what is best for the nation.

Concerning item #2
You'll never learn anything IMO about any of the candidates, by only watching 30 second responses during a debate ... Especially when the establishment media is controlling the debates.

And item #3 ... Yea, I'm very informed about each candidate and their positions on many areas of policy.
And while it is an insinuation, it is also a statement of truth, based on your item #1 ... Research them all, and discount none of them, until you have evaluated and chosen the individual who best fits your principles.

The majority of my post count is because of the political section of this forum

Call me a political junky, and an addict of this forum ... It's true !!!

Also,
I sometimes come across very harshly when I see people commenting about Presidential candidates, while not really knowing what they are talking about ... Research them all, but realize that I will correct things that are not even close to being true about a candidate, but especially one that I best seem to align with on principle.

mongovb · 11-12-2011, 02:07 PM

Iran doesnt have the military nuts so to speak to wage war much beyond their borders. The biggest possible threat to the United States IMO is a dirty bomb. Their navy is not really equipped to bring war all the way to us. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? Doubtful. If they ever even looked like they were leaving the med, the 6th fleet would be all over them and Im sure when they made their little trip through the Suez, there was a tail on them. The kind that run deep and silent. They have 3 destroyers and 3 Kilo class diesel electric boats with a 6-7.5k mile range. That means they would would need to surface and refuel. They would be caught. I think the biggest threat that Iran poses is drawing the Israeli's into some sort of action destabilizing he entire region and forcing us to react.

XD40Colorado · 11-12-2011, 02:11 PM

If Obama wasn't such a spineless pile of goo, we would send in a carrier battle group and bomb their facilities.

I find it highly suspicious that they kicked out all IAEA inspectors from their plants (which by the way, France, UK, US, Germany, and others freely let inspect whenever they want) and are now launching medium-range missiles.

Before long, I think it's reasonable to expect that Israel will start launching air raids against Iranian facilites...c'mon...nukes, medium-range missles. That has "Death to Isreal" written all over it.

brianucf · 11-12-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AZXD

To item #1 ... That's your loss, and your potentially wasted vote because you will be uninformed, if you do not research ALL the candidates, and choose the one who best aligns with your personal perspective of what is best for the nation.

Concerning item #2
You'll never learn anything IMO about any of the candidates, by only watching 30 second responses during a debate ... Especially when the establishment media is controlling the debates.

And item #3 ... Yea, I'm very informed about each candidate and their positions on many areas of policy.
And while it is an insinuation, it is also a statement of truth, based on your item #1 ... Research them all, and discount none of them, until you have evaluated and chosen the individual who best fits your principles.

The majority of my post count is because of the political section of this forum

Call me a political junky, and an addict of this forum ... It's true !!!

Also,
I sometimes come across very harshly when I see people commenting about Presidential candidates, while not really knowing what they are talking about ... Research them all, but realize that I will correct things that are not even close to being true about a candidate, but especially one that I best seem to align with on principle.

We are still a long way off from the elections. I will be more informed about ALL of the candidates as the Primaries draw nearer. Congratulations on being a political junkie- I was for several years. I am still more informed than most voters by a lot.

I am not impressed by you talking down to me no matter how much of your time you devote to politicans- my time is better spent balanced with so much else in life. I do not feel the need to be a political junkie for another few months.

You seem to put me in the same boat as the many people who voted for Obama because he is black or because he is cool- or who called me a racist because I would not vote for him. You better believe I will vote for who I think will lead this country best.