Check out my sweet rust(56k forget it)

[Chayak]

Originally Posted by chupacabrachus

Wrong.

Oh? I've had weapons (issue and personal) exposed to salt water and I live right by the ocean. I've also had them dripping wet from the rain here in WA and I've never had a problem with rust. It may just be that I have different standards of weapon care from being in the military. Is it really hard to figure out that finishes wear and the pistol is made of steel that rusts? It's easy to keep in mind that anywhere there is friction or that you touch has the real potential to rust because of finish wear and the pH of your skin and sweat. So yes... rust = neglect to spend a few minutes to apply a light coat of CLP to the metal before putting it away.

[SLCDave]

I an SO FRIGGIN' TIRED of seeing people that have been here less than a couple months flap their damn gums and say that the rust issue is due to neglect. Before you go calling people out, why don't you look into the issue a little bit before you go calling people out.

I'd bet good money there are over 100 people here on this board that have experienced rust, even after taking fine care of their guns. I cleaned mine, then carried it with me while on a 4 hour hike in the desert. I knew I was sweating, so when I got back to camp, I inspected it. It rusted in 4 hours. Is that my fault?

I've used products by Hoppes, Tetra, Eezox, Militec, CorrosionX, Remington, Birchwood-Casey, Breakfree, Blue Wonder, and others I probably can't remember off the top of my head. If there was a voodoo chant that wards off rust, I probably tried it. None of them prevented the rust.

It was eventually refinished by Springfield, and has gotten no different care than it had before. It looks as good as the day I got it back from them. I treat it no differently than I treat any of my guns, and it has been the only one to ever rust. I've carried guns that some consider of lesser quality, such as Kel-Tecs and Taurus guns, and they have never rusted. I must have just been neglecting the XD like the bastard, red-headed stepchild of my collection, I guess.

New blood in any forum can be a great thing. Sit down, read a while, and don't spout rhetoric you've overheard, or voice opinions not based in reality, facts or experience. Before you go popping off and calling good folks out over topics you know nothing about, take a look into it beforehand.

[xjronx]

WTF, big giant WTF! If i'm not going to handle it for a week , I need to store it in Cosmoline? Are you kidding me? Thats the biggest line of crap i have ever heard.

As far as this "XD RUSTING" compared to other guns, let's compare it to the biggest piece of crap firearm i own. 59/66 yugo sks. Bought for $70 something at the fun show. In what could conservatively be called "scrap metal and firewood" grade. No matching numbers. Most of the blueing gone, sewer pipe barrel. The "grip" of the stock had actually been worn down due to handling. In short it had been used and abused. When i bought it, i "cleaned" it with brake cleaner. About 4 of the big cans. It already had rust under the cosmo. I have never cleaned it since, i've only put a couple drops of oil in it. Rust has not increased or spread.

The first time I discovered this problem with the xd, I decided i would start putting it away while it was dripping with CLP. It would stay clean for a week, and after that the corrosion would start. I have seriously spent more time cleaning this XD than i have spent handling or shooting it. It is not neglected. $500 isn't chump change to me. Its alot of money. And I consider quality firearms to be an investment of sorts.

When i got the armadillo for my xd, i also bought some of the Blue Wonder gun cleaner. It took most of the blueing off the grip safety, even though it says "removes rust with harming blueing" on the front, and something similar on the back. Regardless it got a good dillo waxing.

Last night it got a good cleaning and wipe down Hoppes and Rem oil. In desperation I've resorted to Cold Blueing on the safety and controls. I have to say, i'm impressed, i didnt expect that stuff to work. Ihaven't need to use it on anything else before, but it seemed to work on the xd, and i'll keep checking it.

I dont know how anyone can deny this in the face of pictures. My ammo (steel cased) doesn't rust. My pos beater guns dont rust. My com bloc magazines (never been oiled) dont rust, but my "Go To" XD does.

[Chayak]

Originally Posted by SLCDave

I an SO FRIGGIN' TIRED of seeing people that have been here less than a couple months flap their damn gums and say that the rust issue is due to neglect. Before you go calling people out, why don't you look into the issue a little bit before you go calling people out.

I'd bet good money there are over 100 people here on this board that have experienced rust, even after taking fine care of their guns. I cleaned mine, then carried it with me while on a 4 hour hike in the desert. I knew I was sweating, so when I got back to camp, I inspected it. It rusted in 4 hours. Is that my fault?

I've used products by Hoppes, Tetra, Eezox, Militec, CorrosionX, Remington, Birchwood-Casey, Breakfree, Blue Wonder, and others I probably can't remember off the top of my head. If there was a voodoo chant that wards off rust, I probably tried it. None of them prevented the rust.

It was eventually refinished by Springfield, and has gotten no different care than it had before. It looks as good as the day I got it back from them. I treat it no differently than I treat any of my guns, and it has been the only one to ever rust. I've carried guns that some consider of lesser quality, such as Kel-Tecs and Taurus guns, and they have never rusted. I must have just been neglecting the XD like the bastard, red-headed stepchild of my collection, I guess.

New blood in any forum can be a great thing. Sit down, read a while, and don't spout rhetoric you've overheard, or voice opinions not based in reality, facts or experience. Before you go popping off and calling good folks out over topics you know nothing about, take a look into it beforehand.

I'm not speculating or calling anyone out. Rust is just a chemical reaction and if you get a proper barrier with whatever product you use that reaction can't happen. I admit that my use of the word 'neglect' may be a little strong but I've had it drilled into my head for the past ten years where you'll be taken to NJP for rust on a weapon. No offence intended.

[SLCDave]

Originally Posted by Chayak

I'm not speculating or calling anyone out. Rust is just a chemical reaction and if you get a proper barrier with whatever product you use that reaction can't happen. I admit that my use of the word 'neglect' may be a little strong but I've had it drilled into my head for the past ten years where you'll be taken to NJP for rust on a weapon. No offence intended.

Generally that is true. The XD Brunial finish seems to be the exception to that rule.

If it were a handful of people complaining about rust, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. But when read scores of stories of the rust appearing on a clean gun, and see the thing rust in a few hours with your own two eyes, it's more than neglect. It's a defective, faulty finishing process.

Stick around these forums. I'll bet you a box of ammo that before September 30th, someone will chime in and play the neglect card. It happens every few weeks, just like the magazine vs. clip debate, or 9/40/45 debate.

[AlphaFox]

You said you keep it in the safe. Does the firearm ever touch the safe with metal to metal contact? If it does is there any electric current of any kind going through the safe? If you answered yes to any of those questions there could be an accellerated form of corrosion occuring through an electric current that is reacting to the particular solvent or oil you are using.

Not sure, but this is the only way I can explain such a rapid form of corrosion.

[Old School]

Go to your local hardware store and pickup a closet desiccant product. There is one that has a bag that catches the water. Use them and you will be amazed on how much moisture is in the air, around your gun.

[xjronx]

Originally Posted by AlphaFox

You said you keep it in the safe. Does the firearm ever touch the safe with metal to metal contact? If it does is there any electric current of any kind going through the safe? If you answered yes to any of those questions there could be an accellerated form of corrosion occuring through an electric current that is reacting to the particular solvent or oil you are using.

Not sure, but this is the only way I can explain such a rapid form of corrosion.

Gun to plastic contact only, it get its own shelf.
Safe is electronic, 6 volt, i'm sure everything is insulated.

I know what you are talking about, cathodes, anodes, yep yep.

[chupacabrachus]

Originally Posted by SLCDave

Generally that is true. The XD Brunial finish seems to be the exception to that rule.

If it were a handful of people complaining about rust, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. But when read scores of stories of the rust appearing on a clean gun, and see the thing rust in a few hours with your own two eyes, it's more than neglect. It's a defective, faulty finishing process.
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I'm with you on this one, SLCDave. I am 100% behind you. I have had rust albeit minor enough not to merit contacting Springfield in the past even with the greatest care being taken of the handgun. The XD is checked weekly by me for signs of rust whether I shoot it or not. If it looks "dry" I oil it. Like you, I've used about every product there is out there, and it seems like coating stuff w/ blue armadillo works okay. It's not the users: there are plenty of people who never clean their XDs and have yet to see a spec of rust just like there are plenty who can clean it religiously, touch it, come back 1 hour later and it's got rust where they touched it. This issue has been BEATEN TO DEATH long before you ever joined the forum and its pretty well accepted that the XD's finish (non-melonite) is junk. Why do you think SA started using melonite on 45s?

[The Knight Of Light]

Originally Posted by xjronx

WTF, big giant WTF! If i'm not going to handle it for a week , I need to store it in Cosmoline? Are you kidding me? Thats the biggest line of crap i have ever heard.

It was joke man. I don't even know if you can buy cosmoline. I don't even know if I spelled it right. Calm down man. Calm down.