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rogerxd45 · 04-08-2008, 07:53 PM

well i put "empty chamber" because if theres no bullet in the chamber then its just an ammo storage device and a box of ammo isnt very dangerous. a loaded gun pointed in a safe direction or with a finger off the trigger is still a gun and could accidentally go off. notice i said accidentally not negligently. guns can "just go off" if they are cocked and loaded. but no gun can have a bullet go out the barrel if there isnt one in there

XD40DucheKiller · 04-08-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerxd45

well i put "empty chamber" because if theres no bullet in the chamber then its just an ammo storage device and a box of ammo isnt very dangerous. a loaded gun pointed in a safe direction or with a finger off the trigger is still a gun and could accidentally go off. notice i said accidentally not negligently. guns can "just go off" if they are cocked and loaded. but no gun can have a bullet go out the barrel if there isnt one in there

yeah but i think your choice and the poll is flawed. not putting a bullet in the gun is not a saftey rule. thats what a gun is designed for...it should be saftey rules for safe shooting and handling of the firearm, you cant say that its not safe cause its loaded.

robinsre · 04-08-2008, 07:59 PM

I put down muzzle control, but really depending upon situation it's a mix of muzzle control and finger off the trigger until ready to fire.

In the end, if you maintain muzzle control, and keep your gun pointed in a safe direction at all times chances are you'll never hurt anyone you don't intend to hurt (barring the ricochet), even if you're negligent with the other rules.

Rogerxd45 mentioned that guns can just "go off" in 15 years of owning, handling, and using firearms I've yet to ever see or hear of this happening, most of the time when people say "the gun just went off!" there finger, or something else got caught in the trigger guard. If you're really that worried about it just carry a double action firearm, if there's no tension on the hammer spring, and if the natural hammer position is down there no way without some sort of energy input to overcome that activation barrier and fire the handgun (you ought to appreciate the chemistry reference)

- Ryan

chrisxd45t · 04-08-2008, 08:00 PM

As an RO, I vote muzzle control.
Drives me crazy when people wave their gun around at the range regardless of where their finger is.

XDConvert9mm · 04-08-2008, 08:01 PM

I went with keep your booger hook off the bang lever. Even if it's pointed in a "safe" direction if you follow that rule nothing bad happens.

XD40DucheKiller · 04-08-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

I went with keep your booger hook off the bang lever. Even if it's pointed in a "safe" direction if you follow that rule nothing bad happens.

ill say the same thing i said to someone else....

your saying that youd rather have a gun pointing at someones head with a straight finger...rather than a finger on the trigger pointed into the dirt?

i just dont think the booger hook off the trigger could ever be more important than muzzle control

robinsre · 04-08-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XD40DucheKiller

ill say the same thing i said to someone else....

your saying that youd rather have a gun pointing at someones head with a straight finger...rather than a finger on the trigger pointed into the dirt?

i just dont think the booger hook off the trigger could ever be more important than muzzle control

Agreed.

I have two friends, we'll call them friend 1 and friend 2.

I took friend 1 out shooting for his first time in January last year. His muzzle control was atrocious. He routinely muzzled me, my car, his dog, and his wife. He was corrected multiple times, but god bless him he just couldn't fix it.

Friend 2 I took out shooting 2 months ago. He never quite mastered the "finger off the trigger as soon as your sights are off target" but the gun he was holding was ALWAYS pointed down range.

Needless to say Friend 2 gets invites to go out shooting with me, but friend 1 no longer does (too much of a liability)

Bongo45 · 04-08-2008, 08:19 PM

I can't recall ever having a gun fire unless I pulled the trigger.

**XDONBOARD** · 04-08-2008, 08:24 PM

If no finger on the trigger it doesnt matter where its pointed. Unless is a glock . (JK Laz)

XD40DucheKiller · 04-08-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by XDONBOARD

If no finger on the trigger it doesnt matter where its pointed. Unless is a glock . (JK Laz)

if you were at a range and everytime someone was done shooting they pointed it at your head with a straight finger...youd really prefer that to keeping their finger on the trigger and keeping it down range or in the dirt?!?

im sorry i keep posting this argument...but seriously?! how in the world is that better saftey?

View Poll Results: Most important safety measure, to you?
Don't point at something not ready to be destroyed	80	42.33%
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot	95	50.26%
Magazine safeties	0	0%
Ensure there are No rounds in the chamber	14	7.41%
Manual "active" safeties must be engaged	0	0%
Voters: 189. You may not vote on this poll

04-08-2008, 07:59 PM	#13
robinsre XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,686	I put down muzzle control, but really depending upon situation it's a mix of muzzle control and finger off the trigger until ready to fire. In the end, if you maintain muzzle control, and keep your gun pointed in a safe direction at all times chances are you'll never hurt anyone you don't intend to hurt (barring the ricochet), even if you're negligent with the other rules. Rogerxd45 mentioned that guns can just "go off" in 15 years of owning, handling, and using firearms I've yet to ever see or hear of this happening, most of the time when people say "the gun just went off!" there finger, or something else got caught in the trigger guard. If you're really that worried about it just carry a double action firearm, if there's no tension on the hammer spring, and if the natural hammer position is down there no way without some sort of energy input to overcome that activation barrier and fire the handgun (you ought to appreciate the chemistry reference) - Ryan __________________ Zeroth law of thermodynamics : If you have 1 six pack of beer and your neighbor brings 4 beers over, you will each end up drinking only 5 beers. First law of thermodynamics : There's no such thing as a free beer. Second law of thermodynamics : Even if there was such thing as a free beer, you couldn't drink it all anyway. Third law of thermodynamics : The colder it gets, the less beer you will have.

04-08-2008, 08:00 PM	#14
chrisxd45t XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Monterey/San Jose California Posts: 1,203	As an RO, I vote muzzle control. Drives me crazy when people wave their gun around at the range regardless of where their finger is. __________________ LEGALIZE FREEDOM

04-08-2008, 08:01 PM	#15
XDConvert9mm XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW Atlanta Suburbs Posts: 3,583	I went with keep your booger hook off the bang lever. Even if it's pointed in a "safe" direction if you follow that rule nothing bad happens. __________________ "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."

04-08-2008, 08:24 PM	#19
XDONBOARD XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Peoria, AZ Posts: 3,493	If no finger on the trigger it doesnt matter where its pointed. Unless is a glock . (JK Laz) __________________ Michael XD-45 compact XD-40 sub-compact XD-9 sub-compact I'd rather have my XD and not need it, then need it and not have it.... I hereby certify that the person described hereon has been granted the privilege of carrying a concealed weapon in compliance with Arizona revised statute 13-3112.

04-08-2008, 07:53 PM	#11
rogerxd45 XDTalk 3K Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: boise ID (its boy-see, not boy-z) Posts: 3,592	well i put "empty chamber" because if theres no bullet in the chamber then its just an ammo storage device and a box of ammo isnt very dangerous. a loaded gun pointed in a safe direction or with a finger off the trigger is still a gun and could accidentally go off. notice i said accidentally not negligently. guns can "just go off" if they are cocked and loaded. but no gun can have a bullet go out the barrel if there isnt one in there

04-08-2008, 08:19 PM	#18
Bongo45 XDTalk Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 49	I can't recall ever having a gun fire unless I pulled the trigger.

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