Well Frank, it's clear you won't let this die. And that's fine.
But calling it "research"? C'mon.
Are you going to go down to Florida and interview people that actually used the ballot? Collect samples of the ballots if they still exist?
Or is posting a couple of pictures of a perfectly aligned ballot and asking for a handful of opinions what you really consider to be '"research"?
What is a significant enough sampling of 'votes" to come to any reasonable conclusion?
How's this from another current "poll' on XDTalk?
Originally Posted by Fredo
Should the Bush administration drop restrictions on loaded weapons in parks?
Total Votes: 18
Does 18 votes have any significance? Enough to even bother with the minimal effort of posting?
Here's what my virtually effortless use of Google found....a photo of a ballot that is obviously either printed or was mounted out of alignment at least to some degree. Certainly it is not as perfect as the examples you've posted to conduct your "research". No matter what you may think of how much the misalignment in this sample would or would not affect anything, it at least demonstrates that all the ballots were not "perfect".
Certainly this ballot is not that far off. But neither is it aligned exactly right. It only takes one "misprint' or one "misaligned" entry into the holder to make your contention invalid. This is certainly not anything you need to be told. Nothing you don't know as well as anyone.
As you may be able to tell from the photo, the paper ballot is elevated above the center punch holes. It can't be that hard to visualize looking at the thing from a low angle and thinking the arrow to the right of Gore could appear to line up with the second hole from the top....a vote for Buchanan.
Aside from this, you have completely ignored the issue I mentioned of the ballots having been on very high podiums making the viewing angle another element (to which you so far give no thought or mention...how can you ignore ANY firsthand input in 'research"?). I am a bit over 6 feet tall and could not see the thing straight on as in the photos.
Old people do "shrink" and therefore viewed the ballot on a more severe tangential angle.
It is historic fact that Pat Buchanan himself laughed and said there was no way that 3000 or so residents of a particular retirement community in Delray Beach would have intentionally voted for him (for obvious reasons, but off topic to the issue aside from the fact they mistakenly voted for the wrong candidate).
It has been said here (and elsewhere) by those without firsthand experience with that ballot at that time in that place that anyone who could be "confused" by this ballot was "Just Stupid". So those 3000 or so retirees were all 'just stupid"?
Here's a comment from one of those "Just Stupid" people who somehow managed to get ordained in Talmudic studies. There are no mail-order degrees in Rabbinical school:
RABBI RICHARD YELLIN
Rabbi for Temple Emeth of Delray Beach, Florida, Yellin was among the voters confused by the "butterfly" ballot. He has concluded, after extensive conversations with his congregation and others, that some of the "butterfly" ballots were misaligned and misprinted while others were not.
Broader Issues in the Florida Vote -- Institute for Public Accuracy (IPA)
Frank....you are certainly capable of doing real "research", but even you would have to admit that this is not it.
Do a poll and ask people if they believe in the Bible. If they say that they do, has your "research" confirmed that the events of the Book of Genesis are historical fact? Would such a poll "prove' that Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs and that she was told by a talking snake to eat from the poisonous tree of knowledge? Would you really consider that you have "proved" by a poll that all of this is a certain matter of fact?
Maybe I'm wrong. If so, I know you will not have any problem telling me so. But as I understand "research", it takes an open mind, no preconceptions, and the ability to have an objective and unbiased outlook on the subject until the study has been completed, etc.
What would you like me to "prove" by using a poll? And would you accept my analysis as valid no matter the venue I used to conduct the poll or the size of the sampling no matter how statistically insignificant?
Seriously Frank....this is beneath you and your abilities. I don't doubt that you realize this. I also don't really expect you to properly "research" the issue...what would be the point of so much effort with no reward? (other than to once again "prove" me wrong).
You are better than this. I didn't think you had it in you to disappoint yourself.
You can do real "research' or stick to your guns (opinion). Either is fine, but the two approaches are incompatible.