Carry Ammo

[SgtWKPII]

Originally Posted by The Knight Of Light

Is that your professional opinion??

Seriously

[The Knight Of Light]

Originally Posted by SgtWKPII

Well, after serving 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan, both times carrying a Beretta M9, I am quite confident that a 9mm can, will and has saved my life and stopped the threat. I have absolute faith in the 9mm round built by experience.

Now that sounds like a professional opinion!!

[Fish609]

SgtWKPII -

Is it true that our armed forces can't use hollowpoint rounds in times of war? Or am I crazy/lied to?

For everyone else:

I always heard that 124gr/147gr hydrashocks were one of the best in 9mm? Has there been significant proof otherwise? Also... then becomes the questions: Should I go in my gun cabinet and switch out my hydrashocks with my pack of gold dots? ha.

And don't give me the big speech on how 9mm sucks. I have too much money sank into this gun and I like it too much to buy a new one so blah.

[SgtWKPII]

Originally Posted by Fish609

SgtWKPII -

Is it true that our armed forces can't use hollowpoint rounds in times of war? Or am I crazy/lied to?

As far as I know we cannot use them. From what I have heard Geneva banned any type of expanding ammunition.

We are issued ball ammo only.

Here is a website I have found, but dont believe everything you read on the internet.

http://www.thegunzone.com/hague.html

[The Knight Of Light]

Originally Posted by Fish609

SgtWKPII -

Is it true that our armed forces can't use hollowpoint rounds in times of war? Or am I crazy/lied to?

For everyone else:

I always heard that 124gr/147gr hydrashocks were one of the best in 9mm? Has there been significant proof otherwise? Also... then becomes the questions: Should I go in my gun cabinet and switch out my hydrashocks with my pack of gold dots? ha.

And don't give me the big speech on how 9mm sucks. I have too much money sank into this gun and I like it too much to buy a new one so blah.

It is true that the armed forces cannot use "Expanding" ammunition. Hollow point is not an exclusive name anymore considering there is some HP ammo that doesn't expand.

As far as 124/147gr hydrashoks go...

There is a 124 in this photo.


The Hydrashok bullet design is outdated and made of inferior materials. it has to be pushed to +P+ levels to expand reliably. There are plenty of newer bullet designs out now that work much better at slower speeds. Search the net there are plenty of articles on the Hydrashoks performance vs other loadings in this caliber.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/ammo_data/9mm.htm

[Fish609]

Cool. Thanks for the great info guys. I can't do much surfing at work so it helps to get a finger pointed in the right direction =D.

[wot_racing]

Im a fan of federal hydra-shok.. Some people say it is outdated.. I dont see how ammo can be outdated.. It either works or it doesnt..

[SgtWKPII]

Originally Posted by wot_racing

Im a fan of federal hydra-shok.. Some people say it is outdated.. I dont see how ammo can be outdated.. It either works or it doesnt..

By outdated he means that newer and better designs have come along since the hydra-shok.

[The Knight Of Light]

Originally Posted by SgtWKPII

By outdated he means that newer and better designs have come along since the hydra-shok.

Ding Ding Ding!!!!

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by yocan

the only nine I would trust my life with is an open bolt 9mm UZI, due to the increased velocity of the open bolt. Otherwise get a better gun.

Didn't know there was velocity difference from an open bolt. I guess a 9mm traveling 1150fps from a closed bolt Uzi would travel how fast from an open bolt?? Barrel length determines velocity, not the bolt. the open bolt just means that the bolt and carrier are the same unit, along with the firing pin.... I know that chrono'd rounds from a real PPSh-41 (open bolt war trophy), Yugo surplus 7.62x25 at 1645fps from a 10" barrel matched Jim's (at MarStar-the only reason I envy Canada-make any military 'rifle' semi auto, thats it) semi auto version at 1645fps with a 10" barrel-closed bolt.....