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rockerz71 · 03-26-2007, 06:13 AM

I got an email from the NRA about a specific case in Georgia, but found this link ( http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?ID=193 ) that describes the issue more generally. I'll give my opinion later.

Cryogaijin · 03-26-2007, 06:40 AM

Yes, in very general terms. On one hand, I see no problem with someone having a firearm in a locked vehicle, provided that the firearm is out of sight.

Hiding an unsecured firearm in a locked vehicle with numerous pro-gun stickers is akin to not hiding the firearm at all.

The other hand is that many buisnesses cannot afford to police their parking lots, and if some idiot yahoo has an exposed unsecured firearm in their vehicle, it is just begging to be stolen. I'd fire the idiot.

**AZXD** · 03-26-2007, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryogaijin

Yes, in very general terms. On one hand, I see no problem with someone having a firearm in a locked vehicle, provided that the firearm is out of sight.

Hiding an unsecured firearm in a locked vehicle with numerous pro-gun stickers is akin to not hiding the firearm at all.

The other hand is that many buisnesses cannot afford to police their parking lots, and if some idiot yahoo has an exposed unsecured firearm in their vehicle, it is just begging to be stolen. I'd fire the idiot.

+1

NamOb · 03-26-2007, 07:07 AM

I see no problem with keeping a firearm in your car or truck while your at work. I would personally keep it hidden out of sight. Sure makes it a lot easier to hunting or target practice after work, if you do not have to go home and get it.

rockerz71 · 03-26-2007, 07:11 AM

I think that that any owner of private property should be able to set whatever rules he wishes for his property. If you don't like the rules, then try to get them changed or don't work there. I don't understand why an employer would be so concerned about guns in employees cars, though. I'd probably just keep them hidden and break the rules, unless I suspected that my car might be searched, and then it would depend on how much I cared about the job.

On the other hand, the NRA's argument sort of makes sense that these policies put a burden on the right to transport firearms, but I don't really agree -- you dont have the right to transport anything across my property without my permission.

**Pugs** · 03-26-2007, 07:15 AM

I see this like the smoking bans that are cropping up everywhere. I believe that a business has the right to determine the rules for their property and the local/state/federal government has no right dictating what they can and cannot allow.

I personally think that it's freakin' stupid for a business to disallow weapons in a locked vehicle, but if they want to do so, that is their right. It is similar to a homeowner saying to a guest or a housekeeper, "hey, you can't have gun in my house so you need to leave now." If said guest or housekeeper refuses to leave, they are trespassing. The business has every right to say, "hey you can't have a gun on my property" in the same way.

Dumb, but it's their right.

NMCB3 · 03-26-2007, 08:17 AM

Although this type of legislation looks good at first glance, it violates one of the basic reasons our government was formed, to protect personal property rights. I f your employer bans weapons on his property, you are free to comply, or find another job. Of course if your discreet what he doesn`t know won`t hurt him.

Krackels · 03-26-2007, 08:49 AM

I didn't even see any NRA opinion on this. It just seemed like an overview of the current laws and incidents.

rockerz71 · 03-26-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Krackels

I didn't even see any NRA opinion on this. It just seemed like an overview of the current laws and incidents.

A business owner`s private property rights are not affected by a law preventing the micro-management of the lawful contents of a person`s privately-owned automobile. Moreover, an employer`s private property interests do not trump a person`s right to have a firearm available for self-defense, if needed, during the daily commute to and from work. As with all civil rights, employers and owners of commercial property may not act with disregard to the rights of citizens. Reasonable accommodation is the foundation of the protection of all civil rights.
A commercial landowner is subject to numerous limits, imposed by the federal, state and local governments, on what may and may not occur on its property.
Employees have a legitimate private property interest where their automobiles and their contents are concerned. In our legal system, property rights extend to property other than land.
Most gun-related violent crimes in workplaces are committed by non-employees. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 84% of all workplace murders are committed by strangers; 7% are committed by current or former employees.6 Naturally, strangers and former employees are not bound by any company policy pertaining to employees.
Anyone determined to commit a violent crime will not be prevented from doing so by a mere company policy against having guns in cars. This should go without saying, since criminals are already willing to break laws against murder, rape, robbery and assault.
Laws protecting the right to leave firearms in locked motor vehicles do not authorize a person to have a firearm outside his or her vehicle.
Laws protecting the right to leave firearms in locked motor vehicles on business property specifically protect the property owner from liability for any related injuries or damages. Also, if a business prohibits people from possessing the means to defend themselves in their vehicles, it is potentially liable for injuries and damages incurred for failure to provide adequate security.
The problem of workplace crimes has been exaggerated. The nation`s violent crime rate has declined every year since 1991 and is now at a 30-year low, the murder rate is at a 39-year low, and workplace violent crime has decreased more than violent crime generally. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health says, "the circumstances of workplace homicides differ substantially from those portrayed by the media and from homicides in the general population."

Miguel · 03-26-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryogaijin

Yes, in very general terms. On one hand, I see no problem with someone having a firearm in a locked vehicle, provided that the firearm is out of sight.

Hiding an unsecured firearm in a locked vehicle with numerous pro-gun stickers is akin to not hiding the firearm at all.

The other hand is that many buisnesses cannot afford to police their parking lots, and if some idiot yahoo has an exposed unsecured firearm in their vehicle, it is just begging to be stolen. I'd fire the idiot.

+1

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03-26-2007, 06:13 AM	#1
rockerz71 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Norcross, GA Posts: 2,879	NRA-guns on employer property I got an email from the NRA about a specific case in Georgia, but found this link ( http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactShe...ad.aspx?ID=193 ) that describes the issue more generally. I'll give my opinion later.

03-26-2007, 08:17 AM	#7
NMCB3 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Alaska Posts: 333	Although this type of legislation looks good at first glance, it violates one of the basic reasons our government was formed, to protect personal property rights. I f your employer bans weapons on his property, you are free to comply, or find another job. Of course if your discreet what he doesn`t know won`t hurt him. __________________ "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government." James Madison.

03-26-2007, 08:49 AM	#8
Krackels XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 18,749 Blog Entries: 5	I didn't even see any NRA opinion on this. It just seemed like an overview of the current laws and incidents. __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin America's Third Parties --- Duping the Foolish and Idealistic since 1832. PA Roll Call .................... My Blog

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03-26-2007, 06:40 AM	#2
Cryogaijin XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 277	Yes, in very general terms. On one hand, I see no problem with someone having a firearm in a locked vehicle, provided that the firearm is out of sight. Hiding an unsecured firearm in a locked vehicle with numerous pro-gun stickers is akin to not hiding the firearm at all. The other hand is that many buisnesses cannot afford to police their parking lots, and if some idiot yahoo has an exposed unsecured firearm in their vehicle, it is just begging to be stolen. I'd fire the idiot.

03-26-2007, 07:07 AM	#4
NamOb XDTalk Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Clinton, Indiana Posts: 84	I see no problem with keeping a firearm in your car or truck while your at work. I would personally keep it hidden out of sight. Sure makes it a lot easier to hunting or target practice after work, if you do not have to go home and get it.

03-26-2007, 07:11 AM	#5
rockerz71 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Norcross, GA Posts: 2,879	I think that that any owner of private property should be able to set whatever rules he wishes for his property. If you don't like the rules, then try to get them changed or don't work there. I don't understand why an employer would be so concerned about guns in employees cars, though. I'd probably just keep them hidden and break the rules, unless I suspected that my car might be searched, and then it would depend on how much I cared about the job. On the other hand, the NRA's argument sort of makes sense that these policies put a burden on the right to transport firearms, but I don't really agree -- you dont have the right to transport anything across my property without my permission.

03-26-2007, 07:15 AM	#6
Pugs XDTalk 500 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 767	I see this like the smoking bans that are cropping up everywhere. I believe that a business has the right to determine the rules for their property and the local/state/federal government has no right dictating what they can and cannot allow. I personally think that it's freakin' stupid for a business to disallow weapons in a locked vehicle, but if they want to do so, that is their right. It is similar to a homeowner saying to a guest or a housekeeper, "hey, you can't have gun in my house so you need to leave now." If said guest or housekeeper refuses to leave, they are trespassing. The business has every right to say, "hey you can't have a gun on my property" in the same way. Dumb, but it's their right.