Have you ever had to grievously harm or kill another person? - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

robinsre · 03-15-2007, 02:23 PM

So, the poll today might touch on some nerves.

Let me say at the beginning that if you are emotionally, legally, or logically uncomfortable with answering, by all means please do not. If you wish to answer anonymously this is more than acceptable as well, simply do not post and only vote.

This subject has interested me since I first stumbled upon it. I know many of us carry, one can hardly deny the many plausible reasons for doing so in today's dangerous society.

I also know that many of the individuals here are Military men and women and Law Enforcement Officers whom I thank whole heartedly for your hard work and your steadfast dedication to ensuring peace and prosperity within our nation and our cities, states, and towns.

Anyway, I am interested in how many people have actually been in a conflict with potentially mortal consequences for either side.

I will be the first to say that I thank God I have not, and I pray I never am faced with the decision to allow myself or my family to be harmed or to kill another human being. I have been in frightening situations, and one that probably would have ended quite differently had I had a gun at the time (I'll explain later in this thread) but I have never been in a life or death conflict with another human being.

Anyway, to those who choose to participate, thank you.

- Ryan

**DanTheEldest** · 03-15-2007, 02:33 PM

Nope. I've had a few confrontations with people who were either high or just plain jacka$$es, but things never progressed to the point of physical violence. I consider myself fortunate, but I still intend to carry daily (just in case).

davedog665 · 03-15-2007, 02:54 PM

Im not a leo and i have grievously harm 2 individuals. It was clear self defense but it could have been prevented. short version. My background im very experienced in jiu jitsu. Last new years around 2am after a good night of partyin my friends and i decided to walk to the corner mexican restaurant to grab a late snack.

This is where i think it could have been prevented on my side. being drunk and walkin thru a bad neighborhood at 2am was my fault.

we got a block from his house and some gangsters started yellin at me and 2 of my friends we kept walkin and acted like we didn't hear them. They kept yellin and ran up behind us. They accused us of being some taggers that jumped them the previous week. my friends and i continued walkin backward as to not give them are back they continued after us.

This is where things went bad at this time only 2 of the gangsters/wannabes were in front of me and 2 friends they continued to make threats and we continued to state we are not the guys ur lookin for and were tryin to get food leave us alone. At that time this guy takes his shirt off we back up again. he flinches at my friend with a raised fist. i thought it was a real punch comin and i barely held my fist back as i flinched towards him. He exact words "what homie ur goin to swing on me if i swing at ur homie" my exact words " we don't want to fight but if u swing im goin to fuK u up" not the best words but by this time my blood was goin i didn't feel walkin away was workin and the moment took over me and i tried to over intimidate him.

i thought it worked he turned around picked up his shirt and then turned back around and sucker punched my friend the smallest guy with us! i immedately hit him back knocked him down on the ground my other friend took the other guy down. being on the ground is my world drunk or not i those of u that know ufc i was on top of him in his open guard he had a half ass guilitine choke. i passed his open guard to full mount released his choke and caught him in a quick reverse armbar as he sat up. i've nvr used my jiu jitsu n real life but feelin an arm break and hearin them scream like there hair is on fire will stay with me a while. i then jumped on his back as he knelt clutchin his arm i put him in a choked looked over at my two friends one had the guy in a similar choke helps to teach the buds jiu jitsu, the other was kickin him i saw the blood poorin from the nose of my friend which had been sucker punched. Got me pretty emotional and i droped some nasty elbows the back of the guys neck. this all happend pretty fast but i had broke the guys arm and knocked him out from my elbow strikes i yelled for my friends to run because there buddies were not far and i didn't want ne leo's thinkin we had jumped these two being 3 on 2.

Basically we got very lucky and were saved by our trainning and workin as a group. I nvr walk ne were ne that area alone or at night. we were very fortunate they were not carryin any type of weapon. sry for the long story.

ichy_trigger · 03-15-2007, 03:55 PM

Ex military here, we will leave it at that.

LUVMYSIGP225 · 03-15-2007, 03:57 PM

I am ex-military, but during time of peace. I have never been in that situation in my life, and hope that I never am.

I have, unfortunately, eye-witnessed two murders. Hope to never see that again or be in that situation.

ichy_trigger · 03-15-2007, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

I am ex-military, but during time of peace. I have never been in that situation in my life, and hope that I never am.

I have, unfortunately, eye-witnessed two murders. Hope to never see that again or be in that situation.

Hunting is not murdering, ya redneck!

LUVMYSIGP225 · 03-15-2007, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichy_trigger

Hunting is not murdering, ya redneck!

Watch it, or I will put a stop payment on the money order for your grips!!

ichy_trigger · 03-15-2007, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Watch it, or I will put a stop payment on the money order for your grips!!

LMAO, I thought I deposited that damn thing...hmmmm

We need to hook up and shoot sometime.

LUVMYSIGP225 · 03-15-2007, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichy_trigger

LMAO, I thought I deposited that damn thing...hmmmm

We need to hook up and shoot sometime.

Fin Feather Fur is kinda in between!!! With a Mexican Buffet next door! MMMMMMM!!!

BBunin · 03-15-2007, 04:59 PM

May I suggest the book, "On Killing" by David Grossman.
Probably the definitive work on the subject.

View Poll Results: Have you ever been forced to grievously harm or kill another human being?
No, I have never been in such a situation.	140	76.09%
Yes, I am a citizen and not a law enforcement officer and I was protecting myself or another.	18	9.78%
Yes, I am a Law Enforcement Officer and I did so protecting myself or another in the line of duty.	2	1.09%
Yes, I am a member of the military and I did so protecting myself or another in the line of duty.	24	13.04%
Voters: 184. You may not vote on this poll

03-15-2007, 02:23 PM	#1
robinsre XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,686	Have you ever had to grievously harm or kill another person? So, the poll today might touch on some nerves. Let me say at the beginning that if you are emotionally, legally, or logically uncomfortable with answering, by all means please do not. If you wish to answer anonymously this is more than acceptable as well, simply do not post and only vote. This subject has interested me since I first stumbled upon it. I know many of us carry, one can hardly deny the many plausible reasons for doing so in today's dangerous society. I also know that many of the individuals here are Military men and women and Law Enforcement Officers whom I thank whole heartedly for your hard work and your steadfast dedication to ensuring peace and prosperity within our nation and our cities, states, and towns. Anyway, I am interested in how many people have actually been in a conflict with potentially mortal consequences for either side. I will be the first to say that I thank God I have not, and I pray I never am faced with the decision to allow myself or my family to be harmed or to kill another human being. I have been in frightening situations, and one that probably would have ended quite differently had I had a gun at the time (I'll explain later in this thread) but I have never been in a life or death conflict with another human being. Anyway, to those who choose to participate, thank you. - Ryan __________________ Zeroth law of thermodynamics : If you have 1 six pack of beer and your neighbor brings 4 beers over, you will each end up drinking only 5 beers. First law of thermodynamics : There's no such thing as a free beer. Second law of thermodynamics : Even if there was such thing as a free beer, you couldn't drink it all anyway. Third law of thermodynamics : The colder it gets, the less beer you will have.

03-15-2007, 02:33 PM	#2
DanTheEldest XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,284	Nope. I've had a few confrontations with people who were either high or just plain jacka$$es, but things never progressed to the point of physical violence. I consider myself fortunate, but I still intend to carry daily (just in case). __________________ The AK-47: Designed to be field-stripped and used effectively by a half-drunk, half-frozen illiterate conscript who found it buried in Mother Russia's mud after last year's Regiment exercises. SOP: retrieve from ground, pee in action, cycle bolt, go back to work. I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. --Martin Luther

03-15-2007, 02:54 PM	#3
davedog665 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Upland, Socal. Posts: 233	Im not a leo and i have grievously harm 2 individuals. It was clear self defense but it could have been prevented. short version. My background im very experienced in jiu jitsu. Last new years around 2am after a good night of partyin my friends and i decided to walk to the corner mexican restaurant to grab a late snack. This is where i think it could have been prevented on my side. being drunk and walkin thru a bad neighborhood at 2am was my fault. we got a block from his house and some gangsters started yellin at me and 2 of my friends we kept walkin and acted like we didn't hear them. They kept yellin and ran up behind us. They accused us of being some taggers that jumped them the previous week. my friends and i continued walkin backward as to not give them are back they continued after us. This is where things went bad at this time only 2 of the gangsters/wannabes were in front of me and 2 friends they continued to make threats and we continued to state we are not the guys ur lookin for and were tryin to get food leave us alone. At that time this guy takes his shirt off we back up again. he flinches at my friend with a raised fist. i thought it was a real punch comin and i barely held my fist back as i flinched towards him. He exact words "what homie ur goin to swing on me if i swing at ur homie" my exact words " we don't want to fight but if u swing im goin to fuK u up" not the best words but by this time my blood was goin i didn't feel walkin away was workin and the moment took over me and i tried to over intimidate him. i thought it worked he turned around picked up his shirt and then turned back around and sucker punched my friend the smallest guy with us! i immedately hit him back knocked him down on the ground my other friend took the other guy down. being on the ground is my world drunk or not i those of u that know ufc i was on top of him in his open guard he had a half ass guilitine choke. i passed his open guard to full mount released his choke and caught him in a quick reverse armbar as he sat up. i've nvr used my jiu jitsu n real life but feelin an arm break and hearin them scream like there hair is on fire will stay with me a while. i then jumped on his back as he knelt clutchin his arm i put him in a choked looked over at my two friends one had the guy in a similar choke helps to teach the buds jiu jitsu, the other was kickin him i saw the blood poorin from the nose of my friend which had been sucker punched. Got me pretty emotional and i droped some nasty elbows the back of the guys neck. this all happend pretty fast but i had broke the guys arm and knocked him out from my elbow strikes i yelled for my friends to run because there buddies were not far and i didn't want ne leo's thinkin we had jumped these two being 3 on 2. Basically we got very lucky and were saved by our trainning and workin as a group. I nvr walk ne were ne that area alone or at night. we were very fortunate they were not carryin any type of weapon. sry for the long story. __________________ Xd .45acp Service "Cheyenne" 2100rnds AR 15 "PUPPY"is complete 1200 rnds "A coward dies a thousand deaths; A hero dies but one" William Shakespeare

03-15-2007, 03:55 PM	#4
ichy_trigger XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 7,417	Ex military here, we will leave it at that. __________________ "The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member2645.png

03-15-2007, 03:57 PM	#5
LUVMYSIGP225 XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crackron, Ohio Posts: 4,995	I am ex-military, but during time of peace. I have never been in that situation in my life, and hope that I never am. I have, unfortunately, eye-witnessed two murders. Hope to never see that again or be in that situation. __________________ "The hippies got high, and the hippies are dead. I went hunting, and I am still Ted." - The Nuge, 2006.

03-15-2007, 04:59 PM	#10
BBunin XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,029	May I suggest the book, "On Killing" by David Grossman. Probably the definitive work on the subject. __________________ . When seconds count, the police are only five minutes away. ------------------------------------ MY PARTIAL TOY LIST XD-9 5" (Production) XD-40 5" (Limited10) SA 1911 Loaded (Limited10/SingleStack) STI Spartan (Limited10/SingleStack) Kahr PM9 (CCW) KT P3AT (CCW) Remington 11-87 (Trap) Remington 870 Express (HD/Trap) Misc Rifles for fun and hunting

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