When is Taking a Human Life Morally Acceptable? - XDTalk Forums - Your HS2000/SA-XD Information Source!

robinsre · 03-14-2007, 04:14 PM

Okay...here's another one for you wonderful XD-Talk Folks out there.

I have a feeling that I know how this is going to go, but I'll toss it out there anyway, since you are always ready to surprise me.

When is taking another life acceptable?

EDIT :

I realize that option number three may be a little bit unclear. It is intended to convey the loss of something irreplacable and necessary for one's lifestyle (i.e a set if expensive tradesman's tools or expensive items from a small business owner)

Remember, you may pick more than one option.

Trace · 03-14-2007, 04:22 PM

You got my vote. In the defense of any and all property

**jonny4523** · 03-14-2007, 04:45 PM

I'll take a #2 please.

**DanTheEldest** · 03-14-2007, 04:51 PM

I'd combine #2 and #4. Defense of the homeland (or other innocent people of another nation) against aggression and defense of individual life against aggression are both occasions for "justifiable homicide".

However rare or precious, property is still just that--stuff, so normally I wouldn't agree with use of lethal force in that instance, with one exception: protection of materiel in a wartime environment would also be justifiable in my view as it's critical to the overall mission.

I reserve the right to edit, as I'm sure I haven't thought of some scenarios where it might also be applicable. You've had some interesting polls lately, robinsre.

oden131 · 03-14-2007, 05:05 PM

#5 barely beat out #6 for the vote lol

Trace · 03-14-2007, 06:21 PM

WOW, I hope whoever votes for #1 doesn't carry. I'd hate to see them killed with their own weapon.

03-14-2007, 08:13 PM

Two and Four

the_gunman1 · 03-15-2007, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trace

WOW, I hope whoever votes for #1 doesn't carry. I'd hate to see them killed with their own weapon.

I voted for 1. Doesn't mean I haven't or wont do it. I just because don't believe it is "morally acceptable doesn't mean that I don't believe it's not necessary. Maybe I just have a wierd way of translating the meaning. Thay's why so many of us who have done it feel hurt by it afterwards.

The Knight Of Light · 03-15-2007, 05:38 AM

I picked all the above.

It may seem strange but every single case gets its own scrutiny. Even in the split second decision of a bad guy putting a gun in your face has an impact on the decision you have to make. Do you shoot? What if you can see the fact that he has an airsoft gun or a cap gun. Instead would a beat down be more appropriate? There are so many ways of looking at individual situations that all of these choices are the right choice. We must be prepared to accept the consequences of our choice more than the choice itself. Are any of us truly prepared to shoot another person simply because he is stealing our property? Again would a beat down and jail time be more to his liking?

robinsre · 03-15-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gunman1

I voted for 1. Doesn't mean I haven't or wont do it. I just because don't believe it is "morally acceptable doesn't mean that I don't believe it's not necessary. Maybe I just have a wierd way of translating the meaning. Thay's why so many of us who have done it feel hurt by it afterwards.

Nope, I totally understand your reasoning.

I am a firm believer that sometimes doing the right thing is not always the same as doing the "good" thing.

- Ryan

View Poll Results: Taking a human life is acceptable......
Never. Taking another human life is always unacceptable.	3	3.30%
In defense of oneself or another in times of mortal or great physical danger.	74	81.32%
In defense of only vital property whose loss would result in a major detriment to one's lifestyle.	23	25.27%
In defense of one's homeland or the ideals embodied by one's homeland.	44	48.35%
In the defense of any and all property.	21	23.08%
When the offender is a member at GlockTalk	18	19.78%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

03-14-2007, 04:45 PM	#3
jonny4523 XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lafayette, IN Posts: 2,039	I'll take a #2 please. __________________ -XD40 Service (Feb 2002) Springer Precision Carry Trigger -XD9 Tactical (June 2007) Springer Competition Trigger, USPSA Production -Remington 870 Mag, 12g, my hunting companion -Thompson/Center Triumph (June 2007) -Ruger Mark II (Oct 2004) Gvt Comp Model -AR build (Sept 07 - May 08 ) Mostly RR NRA, USPSA #TY60062 -If guns kill people, then spoons made Rosie O'Donnel fat! -When seconds count, the police are only minutes away

03-15-2007, 05:38 AM	#9
The Knight Of Light XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 8,835 Blog Entries: 12	I picked all the above. It may seem strange but every single case gets its own scrutiny. Even in the split second decision of a bad guy putting a gun in your face has an impact on the decision you have to make. Do you shoot? What if you can see the fact that he has an airsoft gun or a cap gun. Instead would a beat down be more appropriate? There are so many ways of looking at individual situations that all of these choices are the right choice. We must be prepared to accept the consequences of our choice more than the choice itself. Are any of us truly prepared to shoot another person simply because he is stealing our property? Again would a beat down and jail time be more to his liking? __________________ No Matter Where You Go, There You Are. USPSA #L3077 What a great number!!! http://theknightoflight.blogspot.com/ Creator of TOP 'O' THE PAGE!!! Moose Fight

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

03-14-2007, 04:14 PM	#1
robinsre XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,793	When is Taking a Human Life Morally Acceptable? Okay...here's another one for you wonderful XD-Talk Folks out there. I have a feeling that I know how this is going to go, but I'll toss it out there anyway, since you are always ready to surprise me. When is taking another life acceptable? EDIT : I realize that option number three may be a little bit unclear. It is intended to convey the loss of something irreplacable and necessary for one's lifestyle (i.e a set if expensive tradesman's tools or expensive items from a small business owner) Remember, you may pick more than one option. __________________ Zeroth law of thermodynamics : If you have 1 six pack of beer and your neighbor brings 4 beers over, you will each end up drinking only 5 beers. First law of thermodynamics : There's no such thing as a free beer. Second law of thermodynamics : Even if there was such thing as a free beer, you couldn't drink it all anyway. Third law of thermodynamics : The colder it gets, the less beer you will have. Last edited by robinsre; 03-14-2007 at 04:24 PM.

03-14-2007, 04:22 PM	#2
Trace XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 2,880	You got my vote. In the defense of any and all property __________________ Some of my toys: SA XD45 Service (Black on Black) Les Baer Monolith Heavyweight Les Baer Monolith Commanche Heavyweight Les Baer S.R.P. Ed Brown Classic Custom 5" Ed Brown Special Forces 5" Ed Brown Kobra Carry 4.25" Yes, I come from the land of 1911's "In GOD we trust...Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see 'em"

03-14-2007, 04:51 PM	#4
DanTheEldest XDTalk 5K Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 6,369	I'd combine #2 and #4. Defense of the homeland (or other innocent people of another nation) against aggression and defense of individual life against aggression are both occasions for "justifiable homicide". However rare or precious, property is still just that--stuff, so normally I wouldn't agree with use of lethal force in that instance, with one exception: protection of materiel in a wartime environment would also be justifiable in my view as it's critical to the overall mission. I reserve the right to edit, as I'm sure I haven't thought of some scenarios where it might also be applicable. You've had some interesting polls lately, robinsre. __________________ To make mass murder palatable to the public, one must first strip the victims of their inherent humanity. First were the native Americans ("savages"), then the black slaves (only "partly human"), then the Jews and gypsies in Hitler's Europe ("parasites on society"), and now America's unborn (also "not fully human"). Save the Americans--end abortion now. Insights and documentation on our nation's Christian heritage: www.WallBuilders.com

03-14-2007, 05:05 PM	#5
oden131 XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: little rock, arkansas Posts: 120	#5 barely beat out #6 for the vote lol __________________ ___________________________________ XD 45 Tac, TLR-1, Tru Glo TFO's XD 9mm Service

03-14-2007, 06:21 PM	#6
Trace XDTalk 2K Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 2,880	WOW, I hope whoever votes for #1 doesn't carry. I'd hate to see them killed with their own weapon. __________________ Some of my toys: SA XD45 Service (Black on Black) Les Baer Monolith Heavyweight Les Baer Monolith Commanche Heavyweight Les Baer S.R.P. Ed Brown Classic Custom 5" Ed Brown Special Forces 5" Ed Brown Kobra Carry 4.25" Yes, I come from the land of 1911's "In GOD we trust...Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see 'em"

03-14-2007, 08:13 PM	#7
Preacher Guest Posts: n/a	Two and Four