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**oklawall** · 03-05-2007, 07:08 AM

At conception

airbornerangerboogie · 03-05-2007, 07:12 AM

What does this topic have to do with XD pistols, CCW, or Shooting?

Ok, its a free country.....mostly

Life begins when 2 mature adults (male and female) decide to procreate, life happens when the egg is fertilized, and life is viable when it can live outside the womb.
It's no body else's business (government, religion, or court) as to how this process takes place and is/isn't carried out.

**nsnate02** · 03-05-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nasnickerz

technically life begins at conception, but in my personal opinion relating to the issue that this poll is targeted at its the time when the fetus could support its self without being incubated or without life support

So is a full term child born naturally who has some developmental problems on life support not alive? I think "life" support is not a good basis. It has to be alive to have support.

Caribou · 03-05-2007, 07:15 AM

At conception. A distinct human genetic entity is formed at the moment of conception, separate from that of the mother. It's not part of her body, it's a genetically unique human being within her.

The question then becomes: does the mother have complete ownership of the other human within her, such that she can do with it what she wishes.

**nsnate02** · 03-05-2007, 07:19 AM

It also comes down to so many different subjective reasons - quality of life, developmental problems, ect.

Who we give power to to make those decisions is very dangerous. One persons idea of a quality life is not necessarily the next persons. I doubt the Kennedy's would think most of us have a quality of life they would accept! HEHE

The fairest and safest would be to give the new life the option of a making a go of it without us already assuming it can't or won't make decisions for itself.

By the way did you know that statistically speaking, only about 2% of abortions are due to rape/incest?

Krackels · 03-05-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BBunin

At the point which the fetus could survive as a seperate entity.
Ballpark, nonmedical, guess; about 6-7 months

That's excluding the case in which a 21 week old was delivered and is doing fine right?
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/19/D8ND737G0.html

**beardman2** · 03-05-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hellagerms

Sounds like you need numbers for a biomedical ethics class RobinSRE. lol

All of the above substantiates life and processes thereof. To answer your original question "when does human life begins"; the gametic formations are haploidal in nature until fusion of the two gametes in which of course becomes diploid. Thus life has already been established as haploidal cells in the original host since puberty for a female, and within days for a male. As a scientist you know that. As an ethicist, you should clarify what "life begins" mean; but we all know what you mean and I am truley just busting your balls. But considering that you are entering a PhD program, my critique is necessary. It is ashame you couldn't be one of my pupils...anyhow...

Once a sperm fuses with the ovum and the fastblock process has occured the ovum and sperm begins another entity. This zygomatic process through mitotic divisions begins with blastomeric cleavage until a thrid germ layer, the mesoderm is derived. This gastrula is then formed deutrostomically and begins formation of the archenteron and mesodermal tissues. This process will undergo generations of mitotic multiplicitive inverses until death.

what he said!

I agree the government doesn't belong in 99% of our business. However I have a hard time with this one. Especially when you take into account ideas like "Life, Liberty and pursuit of happiness" and "...with Liberty and Justice for all".

As was mentioned we can't define someone as dead or "Not alive" once they go on life support. The same goes for a newborn that gets a brief stint in the NICU for a little breathing treatment. According to my extensive research from Discovery health channel (ha ha!) this happens a lot and usually for only a couple hours.

Furthermore life is always dependent on something. Be it light from the sun or water etc.

IMHO scientifically and religiously "Life" begins at conception. If you want to talk about some legal definition then I guess brain function has to be the answer. The ability of the brain to feel pain, think or just generally "run the show".

I guess if I had to make a legal decision it would be up to the woman until the brain reaches that magic spot and then it would be considered legally alive.

Krackels · 03-05-2007, 07:32 AM

This is going to be a hot topic, but it is my firm belief that life begins at conception.

**beardman2** · 03-05-2007, 07:55 AM

Just wanted to add what to me looks like a good look at weekly development stages.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002398.htm

Krackels · 03-05-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by beardman2

Just wanted to add what to me looks like a good look at weekly development stages.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002398.htm

None of those pictures worked, but here's some pictures that work.
http://www.babycenter.com/fetaldevelopment/

View Poll Results: When does human life begin?
At conception	90	60.81%
Between conception and birth (please explain when)	21	14.19%
At birth	30	20.27%
When you have your first bowl of cocoa puffs	7	4.73%
Voters: 148. You may not vote on this poll

03-05-2007, 07:08 AM	#21
oklawall XDTalk 10K Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maud, Oklahoma Posts: 10,332	At conception __________________ The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. -Albert Einstein

03-05-2007, 07:12 AM	#22
airbornerangerboogie XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lewisville, TX Posts: 228	What does this topic have to do with XD pistols, CCW, or Shooting? Ok, its a free country.....mostly Life begins when 2 mature adults (male and female) decide to procreate, life happens when the egg is fertilized, and life is viable when it can live outside the womb. It's no body else's business (government, religion, or court) as to how this process takes place and is/isn't carried out. __________________ War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over. --William Tecumseh Sherman-- *Phil* *Member NRA* *Vietnam Vet.* -------------------------- SA EMP 9mm Colt Defender 45ACP S&W 1911PD Gunsite edition 45 ACP

03-05-2007, 07:15 AM	#24
Caribou XDTalk 100 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: S. E. Michigan Posts: 378	At conception. A distinct human genetic entity is formed at the moment of conception, separate from that of the mother. It's not part of her body, it's a genetically unique human being within her. The question then becomes: does the mother have complete ownership of the other human within her, such that she can do with it what she wishes. __________________ CARIBOU “The federal government has taken too much tax money from the people, too much authority from the states, and too much liberty with the Constitution.” —Ronald Reagan

03-05-2007, 07:19 AM	#25
nsnate02 XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,077	It also comes down to so many different subjective reasons - quality of life, developmental problems, ect. Who we give power to to make those decisions is very dangerous. One persons idea of a quality life is not necessarily the next persons. I doubt the Kennedy's would think most of us have a quality of life they would accept! HEHE The fairest and safest would be to give the new life the option of a making a go of it without us already assuming it can't or won't make decisions for itself. By the way did you know that statistically speaking, only about 2% of abortions are due to rape/incest? __________________ "It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." *Abraham Lincoln*

03-05-2007, 07:32 AM	#28
Krackels XDTalk 15K Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeastern PA Posts: 19,562 Blog Entries: 5	This is going to be a hot topic, but it is my firm belief that life begins at conception. __________________ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin PA Roll Call Last edited by Krackels; 03-05-2007 at 08:19 AM.

03-05-2007, 07:55 AM	#29
beardman2 XDTalk 4K Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,955	Just wanted to add what to me looks like a good look at weekly development stages. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/002398.htm __________________ - He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself. ~Thomas Paine I will not be involved with the dreams of angry men. Founding Documents Freedom isn't free: http://www.anysoldier.com

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