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gsc11 · 03-26-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by br0ck

I haven't seen reports of Martin being a "bad ass" yet but could you point me to those? If so... that might attribute to the suspicion Zimmerman had. How was he being a bad ass that night? That could be very important to this case!

As from my first post.... I'm making an assumption the "leaked" story is accurate, Zimmerman was attacked by the kid. If he broke off and the kid attacked him... Then my "bad a**" statement isn't too far fetched? That's part of the links already posted here.

So if you act like a thug you get treated like one? If you're a teenager concerned for your safety and act in that manner... Well maybe you get treated like one?

Again, how many "kids" are shot by leo's because they acted how the officers thought they would be acting? PERHAPS there would be a different outcome if the kid responded differently? Food for thought. Too many unknowns... So far all we have is this recent article that was apparently leaked from the department, and a talking witness. It sure seems to paint quite a different picture from the harmless youth walking down the street with a drink and a bag of skittles.

AwPhuch · 03-26-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gsc11

As from my first post.... I'm making an assumption the "leaked" story is accurate, Zimmerman was attacked by the kid. If he broke off and the kid attacked him... Then my "bad a**" statement isn't too far fetched? That's part of the links already posted here.

So if you act like a thug you get treated like one? If you're a teenager concerned for your safety and act in that manner... Well maybe you get treated like one?

Again, how many "kids" are shot by leo's because they acted how the officers thought they would be acting? PERHAPS there would be a different outcome if the kid responded differently? Food for thought. Too many unknowns... So far all we have is this recent article that was apparently leaked from the department, and a talking witness. It sure seems to paint quite a different picture from the harmless youth walking down the street with a drink and a bag of skittles.

How many LEO's are shot with their own weapons when getting into "confrontations" with nice little 12 year old boys...er...160lb 17 year olds when they stalk and confront them asking them "what they are doing there"? (look it up..number is rather surprising)

gsc11 · 03-26-2012, 07:01 PM

And I'm not saying he should have been shot... Just that he might not have been.

gsc11 · 03-26-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AwPhuch

How many LEO's are shot with their own weapons when getting into "confrontations" with nice little 12 year old boys...er...160lb 17 year olds when they stalk and confront them asking them "what they are doing there"? (look it up..number is rather surprising)

Precisely.

Talon · 03-26-2012, 07:06 PM

Some more thoughts FWIW

At the point of confrontation is where this all cumulates.

Rule of combat and safety, when you engage in a physical battle, your mind set should be to create and avenue of escape and restore peace /safety to yourself. Not to get so overcome by blood violence that your goal is to stomp a mud hole.

* When you are beating someone and they are screaming for help. You need to recognize this as an audible clue for disengagement and get away.

State of mind ; for the person being beaten some things need to be understood. They are being overwhelmed and panic sets in and replaces the anger (fight has left and flight is eminent)

They basically fall back to elementary playground times and say Uncle Ok I'm through but it continues they start yelling for help ,it continues.

They cant stop the onslaught they are on their back. Their vision becomes tunnel, hearing stars to ring, their respiration becomes shallow and hastened. The brain is attempting to compensate for all of the system messages that are coming in. "I'm going to die" Then the knife or pistol in this case comes out.

Boom!!

In a nut shell this is what the "self defence" rule is going to be about. State of mind and were you convinced that you were being attacked with unlawful lethal force. And does the Grand Jury believe it. Or do they send it to trial.

People are spend a heck of amount of time with the why and hows leading up to this point. (RIGHTFULLY SO)

**yocan** · 03-26-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AwPhuch

Witnesses (that the MSM DIDN'T report upon) say Zimmerman "broke contact" and was heading back to his vehicle cell phone in hand..."noobie" thug then took the fight to him, gave him a "one liner" thuggish comment, then commenced wailing on Zimmerman

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Originally Posted by gsc11

And I'm not saying he should have been shot... Just that he might not have been.

and if zimmerman hadn't gotten out of his car martin wouldn't have been either. I've walked around with ahoodie in detroit and never been shot for it. I walked around midland mi in a hoodie and combat boots most of highschool and never got shot for it. (another high end area with increasing rate of crime)

if martine persued him, zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter for creating a situation of fear and danger and then using it as an excuse to kill

if martin ducked to get behind zimmerman to give him a chance in a fight with a much larger aggressor and zimmerman was so dumb he thought he lost him turned and was then struck, zimmerman is guilty of murder

he will get off regardless

blackknight · 03-26-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AwPhuch

Yup..because no matter how hard people try to dissuade the "truth" and "facts" as they slowly slip past the MSM agenda driven suppression..the fact of the matter is "beginner wanna be gansta thug" stepped up to the wrong guy and got "stopped"

I wear a hoodie does that make me a wanna be gangster? Do you think any of today's rappers have really done what they rap about?

AwPhuch · 03-26-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by br0ck

I'm not denying Martin could have (allegedly) made the first physical contact. If I were threatened by someone who was following me and I couldn't get away either... I would resort to physical defense before they were able to. I don't blame him one bit for that.

What I don't like and understand is why Zimmerman is able to escalate this entire situation to even get to that point to where EITHER of them had the opportunity to throw the first punch... when it all could have been completely avoided had he just listened to the dispatcher and stayed within the safety of his SUV.

I'm not saying Martin didn't throw the first punch. He may have felt like he was being attacked by Zimmerman and that was his only way of defending himself. I'm just saying it didn't NEED to even get to that point where EITHER of them needed to defend themselves. I feel there is some responsibility in that.

How is asking someone "What you are doing there" even if he said it like a total douchenozzle constitute a THREAT, otherwise bouncers at bars better look out, security guards in buildings and even the old folks at walmart better look out? If you did resort to physical defense when there was no physical contact YOU TOO should be "STOPPED" especially if you are sitting on TOP of someone wailing on them preventing them from the "flight" of adrenaline...when you can't run away...what is the ONLY option left?

There was no escalation of the situation...he asked him what he was doing there and broke contact, yes, there was a self activated interaction..but he was heading back to his vehicle..."baby thug" decided to bring the fight back to him...thus he was "stopped"

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Originally Posted by blackknight

I wear a hoodie does that make me a wanna be gangster? Do you think any of today's rappers have really done what they rap about?

Doesn't matter...because the "little ones" think they should do it, they aspire for it..kinda like the whole "prison bitch drawers down past the butt" look...maybe someone needs to teach em "something else"

The hoodie has very little to do with it...

blackknight · 03-26-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AwPhuch

How is asking someone "What you are doing there" even if he said it like a total douchenozzle constitute a THREAT, otherwise bouncers at bars better look out, security guards in buildings and even the old folks at walmart better look out? If you did resort to physical defense when there was no physical contact YOU TOO should be "STOPPED" especially if you are sitting on TOP of someone wailing on them preventing them from the "flight" of adrenaline...when you can't run away...what is the ONLY option left?

There was no escalation of the situation...he asked him what he was doing there and broke contact, yes, there was a self activated interaction..but he was heading back to his vehicle..."baby thug" decided to bring the fight back to him...thus he was "stopped"

Doesn't matter...because the "little ones" think they should do it, they aspire for it..kinda like the whole "prison bitch drawers down past the butt" look...maybe someone needs to teach em "something else"

The hoodie has very little to do with it...

What nobody knows is if George put his hands on Trayvon. Only God, George, and Trayvon know this

AwPhuch · 03-26-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackknight

What nobody knows is if George put his hands on Trayvon. Only God, George, and Trayvon know this

And the witness that SAW Trayvon wailing on him...but was oh so conveniently "forgot" to post it as news...

What we DO know is George was all busted up...grass stains on his back, and other physical evidence to back up his story, Trayvon took one at close range...and I would probably bet he didn't do the "beatdown" after he was hit