Vatican Cardinal Says Gaza Like A **** Death Camp

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Informed Comment: Gaza 2008: Micro-Wars and Macro-Wars

So, these are the only deaths inflicted by Hamas on Israelis in the 8 year period?

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Yes, the Catholic Church has a poor record on a number of issues, but in my lifetime they have stood against aggression.

Who is it that I'm rooting for? I'm merely saying that Israel is engaging in what many are calling war crimes. That is not the behavior of a righteous nation.

well my story of the slaves was from the 1980s, the church itself had slaves, werent you born in the 1950 s?

Anyways yes i agree, the church is political in many ways, but they dont benefit one way or the other in the short term either way. I dont know why they are denying the obvious goal of the muslims to take Jerusalem and make is a Muslim city, which is required of them, and the jew/christians. Kinda might put a little damper on that whole jesus thing, i dunno call me crazy.

But yes the church panders to people and blood.

I just have to ask where was the outrage over breaking the peace. Palestinians have a defacto palestin in the gaza, they have their own leaders, what more do they want (other than free reign to crush the jews, how ever futile that is?)

Where is the churchs outrage, there was relative peace, now the agressor is the victim. Cant be, agressor can loose, but the agressor is not the victim, unless you can be a victim of you own hands, and own elected leaders (hamas)

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

So, these are the only deaths inflicted by Hamas on Israelis in the 8 year period?

According to Mideast expert, Juan Cole.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Why do you think they're "antagonizing" the Israelis?

As I already posted, lobbing 6K rockets into a country kinda fits into the antagonizing category in my opinion. Seem fair?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

As I already posted, lobbing 6K rockets into a country kinda fits into the antagonizing category in my opinion. Seem fair?

Yes, but WHY are they doing this "antagonizing?"

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

As I already posted, lobbing 6K rockets into a country kinda fits into the antagonizing category in my opinion. Seem fair?

And, where are you getting this 6,000 figure?

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

According to Mideast expert, Juan Cole.

Israel
Cole is a strong critic of Israel's foreign and military policy and its treatment of Palestinians. He criticizes the nature of America's support for Israel and the activities of the "Israel Lobby",[56] and claims that some senior US officials such as Doug Feith have dual loyalties to America and the Israeli Likud Party.[57]
Cole opposes boycotts of Israeli academics because he believes that the academic community in Israel is mostly opposed to the policies of the Likud party.[58]
Cole's positive prescriptions can be summarized thus:
It wouldn't take much now to settle the Israel-Palestine thing, and the time is ripe to have Israel give back the Golan to Syria and the Shebaa Farms to Lebanon in return for a genuine peace process. The Israelis are not made more secure by crowding into the West Bank or bombing Gaza daily. South Lebanon has demonstrated the dangers of ever more sophisticated microwars over rugged territory. It is time for Israel, and for the United States, to do the right thing and rescue the Palestinians from the curse of statelessness, the slavery of the 21st century. Ending this debilitating struggle would also be the very best thing for the Israelis themselves. In one fell swoop, the US would have solved 80 percent of its problems with the Muslim world and vastly reduced the threat of terrorism.[59] Cole also writes on his blog regarding Muslim attitudes toward modern Israel:
To any extent that contemporary Muslims have a problem with Jews, it is largely driven by what they see as injustices done by Zionists to the Palestinians. Most Muslims when pressed would insist that there is a difference between criticizing Zionism and criticizing Jews per se.[60] Juan Cole - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yup, no bias against Israel from this Middle East "Expert".

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

And, where are you getting this 6,000 figure?

Tell me where you're getting your "Almost universal acceptance" figure requested earlier in the thread and we can talk.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

And, where are you getting this 6,000 figure?

google it, its everywhere

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

Yup, no bias against Israel from this Middle East "Expert".

Are his figures wrong?