Vatican Cardinal Says Gaza Like A **** Death Camp

[KingArthur]

Originally Posted by jmichna

I have not forgotten the Crusades. Nor have I forgotten that Catholics basically saved western Europe's butt by stopping Islam on the western front at the border between Iberia (Spain and Portugal) and France, when (the Catholic) Charles Martel defeated the Saracens at the Battle of Tours in 732, repulsing the third and final invasion. And, that it was a (Catholic) Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand that finally pushed the Islamic Moors out of the Spainish peninsula in 1492. I also haven't forgotten that it was a Catholic navy that defeated the Moslem Turks at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571, stemming the invasion of eastern Europe. Nor have I forgotten that it was (Catholic) John Sobieski that led an army (Catholic) that defeated the Moslem Ottomans at the Gates of Vienna in 1683, and was hailed as "a savior of Vienna and western Civilization" by his contemporaries.

Now, the Protestant Reformation had largely completed by the time of these latter two battles, however, there seems to be little mention of the Protestant's part in stopping the invasion of Europe by the Turks. I'm sure, as a student of history, you could provide that type of information, KA.

The 8,000 was a specific reference to the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre of the French Huguenots by French Catholics. Your second reference pertains to WWII Serbian concentration camps. Croatian Catholic clergy did play a role in this. No argument.

Your third link doesn't seem to be working, and your fourth link is at the same "academic" level as the Jack Chick tracts.

If anyone is not familiar with Jack Chick, his organization (Chick Publications) or his writings, I encourage you to go check them out here. It will be thoroughly enjoyable reading for any anti-Catholic bigot. Make sure to read the writings by one of Chick's major contributors, "Dr." Alberto Rivera, a self-claimed escapee priest from the Jesuits who claimed knowledge of the inner secrets of Catholicism, which include responsibility for:

"...for the creation of communism, Islam, and Nazism, and causing the World Wars, recession, the Jonestown Massacre, and the assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy (a Catholic); he further claims that the Catholic Church wants to spread homosexuality and abortion(despite the fact the catholic church doesn't even support it or the use of birth control), that the Charismatic Movement is a front for the Catholic Church, that the Popes are antichrists, that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, and that Muhammad was used by the Catholic Church to create Islam and destroy the Jews and other groups of Christians."

Turns out Rivera was a fraud and petty thief. Some other prominent anti-Catholic writers include Alexander Hislop (especially his seminal work, The Two Babylons), Robert Ingersoll and Ralph Woodrow (in his younger days; Woodrow later repudiated his earlier writings and also repudiated his mentor Hislop).

KA,
As a professed historian (I believe you said, you received an undergraduate degree in History), the one bit of history I asked you to support was your claim that Catholics slaughtered 50,000,000 people. This would be an immense, criminal act of such magnitude it must certainly be recorded by multiple historians. So far, you haven't provided any source for your claim.

I'll read your references in total, and in detail, if you'll read this work:
Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness: The Truth about the Vatican and the Birth of Islam, by Gary Dale Cearley (Cearley is not a Catholic, but is a historian of religions. I trust this would be impartial enough.)

Sorry, all the sources I provided were academic. And not Chick Publications which as you know full well is a comic book. The fact is the Catholic Church has been responsible for the wholesale destruction, torture and slaughter of people for over 1,200 years. The inquisition itself did not end fully until 1838. Over time those numbers add up, the Crusades alone devistated the world, not to mention the wholesale genocide of the native peoples of North and South America in the name of conversion. I am not advocating Muslim innocence as you seem to suggest, I think the Muslim religion as a whole is not a religion of peace, but of war and devistation. I think the Catholic faith has ceased to be only because it cannot find secular backing in the way that Islam still has. We find them as I have pointed out in WWII, participating in the tradition of "sanitizing" jews, because they once again had secular backing. I would expect fully since they don't seem have any remorse for expunging and genociding whole groups of protestants, but rather seek to justify those activities, that they would once again be at it if they were errected to a world power again. Now, mind you I am not critizing the Catholic people but the Institution itself. The institution is as corrupt and bloody as it has always been, it just lacks the secular teeth to exercise its dominance. When we have the same type of cruelty being excercised well in to the mid 20th century, I think that is extremely telling. Thus, my argument is they do not have the moral high ground to criticize anyone for "cruel or inhumane" activity as they have to renounce it themselves, and have a long long history of practicing it.

I would have found you more superlative sources, however, that is the best I could gleen from the internet for those, who clearly do not or are not willing to read up on the topic through traditional academic means. The best historical source on the subject that I was suprised to find in a completely readable format was "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" which provides a wealth of dates, places, methods, and numbers slaughtered.

[DMWyatt]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

Quote:
My solution to this problem is to take all the JEWS from Israel, and re-settle them in a 20-mile wide strip of land along the U.S.-Mexico border, from California to Texas ....

Give them San Diego on the Pacific, and Galveston on the Gulf Coast ...

So that entire strip of land would be theirs forever ....

Which is a real good deal for them, because it is a hell of a lot bigger chunk of land than what they have right now ...

And then make what is now Isreal into a piece of glass with nuclear weapons fired at once by all the nations that now possess them ...

Then the children over there will have nothing left to fight over ...

And we'll get some added border protection from the DIRE THREAT that Mexico presents to us, right now ...

Anyone trying to get into the U.S. across the porous border that exists now would have to infiltrate Israeli country first ....

And then they would still have 20 more miles to go to get to the US border ....

So it is a WIN-WIN, all around ....

The American people that are presently down there can then either be -re-settled somewhere else, like Georgia ....

Or they could stay and become Israelis ....

And so ... .

I like it! As an incentive, anyone who relocates will be given a 3-caliber Desert Eagle kit and a Jericho with a case of ammo for their trouble!

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

Sorry, all the sources I provided were academic. And not Chick Publications which as you know full well is a comic book. The fact is the Catholic Church has been responsible for the wholesale destruction, torture and slaughter of people for over 1,200 years. The inquisition itself did not end fully until 1838. Over time those numbers add up, the Crusades alone devistated the world, not to mention the wholesale genocide of the native peoples of North and South America in the name of conversion. I am not advocating Muslim innocence as you seem to suggest, I think the Muslim religion as a whole is not a religion of peace, but of war and devistation. I think the Catholic faith has ceased to be only because it cannot find secular backing in the way that Islam still has. We find them as I have pointed out in WWII, participating in the tradition of "sanitizing" jews, because they once again had secular backing. I would expect fully since they don't seem have any remorse for expunging and genociding whole groups of protestants, but rather seek to justify those activities, that they would once again be at it if they were errected to a world power again. Now, mind you I am not critizing the Catholic people but the Institution itself. The institution is as corrupt and bloody as it has always been, it just lacks the secular teeth to exercise its dominance. When we have the same type of cruelty being excercised well in to the mid 20th century, I think that is extremely telling. Thus, my argument is they do not have the moral high ground to criticize anyone for "cruel or inhumane" activity as they have to renounce it themselves, and have a long long history of practicing it.

I would have found you more superlative sources, however, that is the best I could gleen from the internet for those, who clearly do not or are not willing to read up on the topic through traditional academic means. The best historical source on the subject that I was suprised to find in a completely readable format was "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" which provides a wealth of dates, places, methods, and numbers slaughtered.

Where's the backup for the 50 million people the Catholic Church slaughtered? Undoubtedly, this is some made up number. I would think with those numbers it would be common knowledge, as it's more than the number of people that Stalin had killed. Yet, I have never heard of it.

The Catholic Church can condemn the behavior of whomever they wish. They do have moral authority with many, many people. (In fact, the Catholic Church is growing worldwide.) You just don't happen to be one of them.

[KingArthur]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Where's the backup for the 50 million people the Catholic Church slaughtered? Undoubtedly, this is some made up number. I would think with those numbers it would be common knowledge, as it's more than the number of people that Stalin had killed. Yet, I have never heard of it.

The Catholic Church can condemn the behavior of whomever they wish. They do have moral authority with many, many people. (In fact, the Catholic Church is growing worldwide.) You just don't happen to be one of them.

If Ted Bundy were alive would he have the moral authority to speak for NOW? So, if they have the moral authority that means HAMAS and Al QUEDA have the moral authority to call for your death as well? That means ***** have the moral authority to speak on behalf of Jews? Let's just leap off completely into the absurd shall we? What gives them the moral authority and right after their extremely long and checkered history, bearing in mind durring World War II they were assisting in genociding the Jews Croatia? So, now they have the moral authority? Who gave them that moral authority? You? Islam is growing world wide, they want you dead, the Catholic church is growing world wide and they have never set aside their ambition, or renounced their desire to purge heretics. So, which is better, I say they are the same.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

.My solution to this problem is to take all the JEWS from Israel, and re-settle them in a 20-mile wide strip of land along the U.S.-Mexico border, from California to Texas ....

Give them San Diego on the Pacific, and Galveston on the Gulf Coast ...

So that entire strip of land would be theirs forever ....

Which is a real good deal for them, because it is a hell of a lot bigger chunk of land than what they have right now ...

And then make what is now Isreal into a piece of glass with nuclear weapons fired at once by all the nations that now possess them ...

Then the children over there will have nothing left to fight over ...

And we'll get some added border protection from the DIRE THREAT that Mexico presents to us, right now ...

Anyone trying to get into the U.S. across the porous border that exists now would have to infiltrate Israeli country first ....

And then they would still have 20 more miles to go to get to the US border ....

So it is a WIN-WIN, all around ....

The American people that are presently down there can then either be -re-settled somewhere else, like Georgia ....

Or they could stay and become Israelis ....

And so ...

that idea though improbable, has wings. We are friends /best allies of israel, they like an flourish in the desert in middle east so their industries would do well here in the south west.

We ***** foot around with the mexicans and all hispanics cause they are "the swing vote" and everyone cant wait to one up the other and buy their votes, and become the party of the hispanics for the future. Any buffer, or mitigation of that would be awesome. Now REAL politics come into play, not pandering to illegals. We cant give them the world, cause New israel is in the way.

Also it would be worth it just to see mexican culture and Middle eastern culture collide.

I couldnt wait 20 years to see mexicans using yiddish phrases, and old jews rocking out Tejano music. The foods colliding, the accents with texas drawl, immigrant jews, and mexicans would be just to much. It would become an interesting place.

Our neutered Border control would be fine with Israel to the south as the buffer zone, and hopefully the Israelis would just mow down border crashes, and lay a 1/2 mine field. And anyone who complained would be an anti semite.

Almost to good to be true.

Well that and the little matter of both religions needing to control Jerusalem.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

If Ted Bundy were alive would he have the moral authority to speak for NOW? So, if they have the moral authority that means HAMAS and Al QUEDA have the moral authority to call for your death as well? That means ***** have the moral authority to speak on behalf of Jews? Let's just leap off completely into the absurd shall we? What gives them the moral authority and right after their extremely long and checkered history, bearing in mind durring World War II they were assisting in genociding the Jews Croatia? So, now they have the moral authority? Who gave them that moral authority? You? Islam is growing world wide, they want you dead, the Catholic church is growing world wide and they have never set aside their ambition, or renounced their desire to purge heretics. So, which is better, I say they are the same.

You're comparing the Catholic Church to Hamas, Al Qaeda and the ***** - and Ted Bundy, to boot?

[jmichna]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

that idea though improbable, has wings. ...

Also it would be worth it just to see mexican culture and Middle eastern culture collide.

I couldnt wait 20 years to see mexicans using yiddish phrases, and old jews rocking out Tejano music. The foods colliding, the accents with texas drawl, immigrant jews, and mexicans would be just to much. It would become an interesting place.....

I really like Jewish deli pastrami and corned beef. I wonder what burritos, tacos and enchiladas would evolve into with those meats? No queso on the tacos either... wouldn't be Kosher.

[Carnivorous]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

You're comparing the Catholic Church to Hamas, Al Qaeda and the ***** - and Ted Bundy, to boot?

Look at the Inquisition. It's not exactly a bad comparison. The church lost its way several times. (Although, being made up of fallen people, that's to be expected...)