Vatican Cardinal Says Gaza Like A **** Death Camp

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

Clergy were invited to the high ranks and associations of the **** regime in WWII. I don't think that is hard to criticize them, just as I don't think it is hard to criticize the SS for those same atrocities. There were many people complicit and active in that genocide. I won't give them a pass, because it was simply "in vogue" to be rabid sadists durring that time period. To me it was reflective of the oppression and genocide commited against any group that was considered heretical by the Catholic institution for centuries. A thing they have yet to be appologetic for. In fact, on DISH you can still watch them today recounting the heretical movements, their attempts to purge them, and the appologetics on how it was justifiable and proper. So, for a high ranking member of an organization responsible for the deaths and torture of people for centuries who has no remorse for those activities having the gall to criticize Israel is the heigth of absurdity.

Then I guess we can include the Church of England, the Calvinists, the followers of Luther and others for all of the atrocities committed by their religions over the centuries. If you count all of the descendants of people who have committed atrocities in the name of God (or without), all of us are guilty, and therefore shouldn't say anything about atrocities committed today.

[bluemoonlabel]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Then I guess we can include the Church of England, the Calvinists, the followers of Luther and others for all of the atrocities committed by their religions over the centuries. If you count all of the descendants of people who have committed atrocities in the name of God (or without), all of us are guilty, and therefore shouldn't say anything about atrocities committed today.

Best idea I have ever seen coming from your keyboard as well as excellent advise for you to follow

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by bluemoonlabel

Best idea I have ever seen coming from your keyboard as well as excellent advise for you to follow

Sorry. Not gonna happen.

[KingArthur]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Then I guess we can include the Church of England, the Calvinists, the followers of Luther and others for all of the atrocities committed by their religions over the centuries. If you count all of the descendants of people who have committed atrocities in the name of God (or without), all of us are guilty, and therefore shouldn't say anything about atrocities committed today.

No singular religious institution in all of Christendom has held more power or slaughtered more people in the name of their primacy and dominance than the Catholic church or held a chokehold over the majority of the known world for 1,200 years. Only until 1798 when Napoleon put a death knell in it, did it for the most part cease. 1,200 years Etta of torture, murder, and, yes, Genocide that they have yet to appologize for. In fact you are welcome to look on your Dish network if you have it, for a "nice" little program called, "Great Heresies" where they recount their deeds and again, are no at all applogetic for those actions, but seek to continue to justify them. So, when a leader of that institution who has erradicated whole groups of people (e.g.the Hugenots in France) waltzes up and points the finger at a small war, I call that the ultimate arrogance and hypocrisy.

[jmichna]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

Yeah, and studies had shown that asbestos is harmless lead additive in paint/fuels were harmless too. ...

Can you point to any of these studies that showed asbestos was safe, and that lead in fuel was deemed harmless?

Lead was not an additive in paint... it was a primary component (the pigment).

Getting OT here, but asbestos is harmful via inhalation, and possibly via ingestion. Encapsulated, it is not respirable or edible... it is harmless.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

No singular religious institution in all of Christendom has held more power or slaughtered more people in the name of their primacy and dominance than the Catholic church or held a chokehold over the majority of the known world for 1,200 years. Only until 1798 when Napoleon put a death knell in it, did it for the most part cease. 1,200 years Etta of torture, murder, and, yes, Genocide that they have yet to appologize for. In fact you are welcome to look on your Dish network if you have it, for a "nice" little program called, "Great Heresies" where they recount their deeds and again, are no at all applogetic for those actions, but seek to continue to justify them. So, when a leader of that institution who has erradicated whole groups of people (e.g.the Hugenots in France) waltzes up and points the finger at a small war, I call that the ultimate arrogance and hypocrisy.

I would be interested to see backup for your allegations. The Church of England would be hard to top for slaughtering.

As for me, I'm thankful that at least someone in a prominent position in our world has spoken out against the Israeli atrocities.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by KingArthur

Clergy were invited to the high ranks and associations of the **** regime in WWII. I don't think that is hard to criticize them, just as I don't think it is hard to criticize the SS for those same atrocities. There were many people complicit and active in that genocide. I won't give them a pass, because it was simply "in vogue" to be rabid sadists durring that time period. To me it was reflective of the oppression and genocide commited against any group that was considered heretical by the Catholic institution for centuries. A thing they have yet to be appologetic for. In fact, on DISH you can still watch them today recounting the heretical movements, their attempts to purge them, and the appologetics on how it was justifiable and proper. So, for a high ranking member of an organization responsible for the deaths and torture of people for centuries who has no remorse for those activities having the gall to criticize Israel is the heigth of absurdity.

Yea, many were invited-many were sent to concentration camps too...I don't give any one a 'pass'...but then again, history also forgets the other big players in the murders of 'lesser peoples' during WW2...the jews weren't alone, even though biased history would make you believe that they were and that Germany was the only aggressor. And since all 'death camps' were run by the SS and SD, not Heer soldats, that everyone was a ****. Just like there were no death camps German soil, only forced labour and POW camps...and all camps were under command of the SS/SD, not the Heer. Most forget that the SS are seperate, and acted as such.

[KingArthur]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I would be interested to see backup for your allegations. The Church of England would be hard to top for slaughtering.

As for me, I'm thankful that at least someone in a prominent position in our world has spoken out against the Israeli atrocities.

Go pick up a history book. Read. Go educate yourself. I really could care less what the Catholic Church has to say in this matter, because their credentials carry far too much blood that they are still unwilling to admit any wrong doing in, and still seem to advocate that same course of action, the only thing failing them, is the lack of civil government to back up the power they once had. The Catholic sponsored, "Great Heresies" publicized regularly and currently seeks to justify those actions. So, again, I think it is absurd for them to Criticize the Isreal/Gaza war as NAMBLA telling Michael Jackson he was a dirty child molestor. The Catholic Chruches credentials to judge this affair are woefully inadequate.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by jmichna

Can you point to any of these studies that showed asbestos was safe, and that lead in fuel was deemed harmless?

Lead was not an additive in paint... it was a primary component (the pigment).

Getting OT here, but asbestos is harmful via inhalation, and possibly via ingestion. Encapsulated, it is not respirable or edible... it is harmless.

I'll find the books on them tonite or in the morning...and lead was added to paints for exterior uses. I remember my dad adding it at the Mt Castle lumber yard when I was a kid. We still have a few glass tubes of it that came in packs of eight, cartons of 16...made by Behr paints.

[DMWyatt]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I would be interested to see backup for your allegations. The Church of England would be hard to top for slaughtering.

As for me, I'm thankful that at least someone in a prominent position in our world has spoken out against the Israeli atrocities.

Isn't the involvement of religion in politics one of the things that continually initiates conflict in Israel? How is any statement by the Vatican really a good thing? One of the brick walls in this conflict is the fact that the international community keeps trying to pressure Israel and Hamas to broker a secular truce when at least one if not both sides of the conflict are utilizing a religious mandate and directive to fight the conflict. Obviously, it's outside of the realm of reason to ask that a theological truce be called. The compromise needs to come primarily from Hamas. If they stop lobbing rockets and end their aggression against Israel to focus on the issue of governance over the people that elected them to power, then they would most likely have the sympathy not only of the bulk of the international community but likely the U.S. as well.