Vatican Cardinal Says Gaza Like A **** Death Camp

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

the united States....but hey, lets hear israels answer about blocking the red cross, and UN as well as EU doctors and humanitarian aide. I watched the goof ball spokesman from israel stutter on msnbc the other night when that question was asked, all he could come up with was 'we have let 50k tons of food and some medical supplies come through since the offensive started...and when asked by the BBC about the Norwegian military and civilian medics/doctors questions about finding traces of depleted uranium in strike zones, air samples and in casualty blood samples....doh, the guy got uncomfortable and gve a typical US politician answer to their question..vague and empty. So will israel be 'punished' for using a WMD as defined by the 'weapon with an indiscrimminit effect, U N Resolution 1996 16' since there is no proof of definaite 'military' targets. Remember the 'gulf war syndrome'?? remember all the children in iraq with birth defects in the regions where depleted uranium bullets were used...will israel help the the 'children of chernobyl' from the use the these weapons in gaza?? But the US will step in and protect and defend anything israel does...remember, apartheid israel can do no wrong...thats only for s.africa. And lets also not forget that it is against international law to colonized occupied territories too....a sh!t storm is brewing, and guess what country is gonna be right in the middle of it...europe is already starting to get a little taste of some it. Its all a bunch of crap anyway...wanna stop the death toll from rocket fire in israel from reaching 10 people..its an easy fix, give the israelis our illegal immigrant work force to build a taller wall, send US troops in to secure the west bank and gaza. Take the land away from both of the ******* kids that can't share. Then lets clean it all up and give to the native Americans, since we won't give up any 'ancestral lands' that belong to them....or just kill everyone in the middle east and be done with this crap once and for all, the world would be a better place....then we go to detroit, chicago, kalifornia, and DC and do the same...

You make some good points, einheit. The depleted uranium is something I didn't know about. My brother was in the First Gulf War, and is on total military disability with totally messed up heart valves. This is pure bullsh*t, if that's what they're using.

[jmichna]

Originally Posted by Jack the Toad

... Too bad most in the Vatican turned a blind eye to ACTUAL **** death camps in WW2 . It might have given them an ounce of credibility now. ....

Regarding the **** concentration camps, when did the Vatican become aware of their existence? When did the German public become aware of their existence? When did the Allies become ware of their existence?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by KEVWYO

Hmmmm. Tell me when you are able to convince a dead Israeli that the homemade rocket that killed them was "ineffective". Good grief Etta. I know you're not going to be convinced to give up your convictions on this issue but perhaps you should quit responding. Unless you're one of those "whip me .... beat me, just don't make me see the light" types.

Defend Israel all you want, Kev. Whatever their fate here on earth, they will answer to their god for what they're doing to innocent people here on earth - as will we.

[jmichna]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

...and when asked by the BBC about the Norwegian military and civilian medics/doctors questions about finding traces of depleted uranium in strike zones, air samples and in casualty blood samples....doh, the guy got uncomfortable and gve a typical US politician answer to their question..vague and empty.... remember all the children in iraq with birth defects in the regions where depleted uranium bullets were used...will israel help the the 'children of chernobyl' from the use the these weapons in gaza?? ...

Depleted uranium is what is left over after the isotope fraction used for nuclear fission is removed; DU is less radioactive than naturally occuring uranium.

Sources which claim birth defects resulting from military use of depleted uranium should be looked at closely for accuracy and scientific methodology. Just like other "health risks" being trumpeted for anything to do with nuclear energy, these types of DU claims have great propaganda value. DU has been studied extensively:

The Royal Society
Policy statements and Reports by Date
The health hazards of depleted uranium munitions-Part 1 (Full Report)
22 May 2001
...Except in extreme circumstances any extra risks of developing fatal cancers as a result of radiation from internal exposure to DU arising from battlefield conditions are likely to be so small that they would not be detectable above the general risk of dying from cancer over a normal lifetime....

Sandia Completes Depleted Uranium Study; Serious Health Risks Not Found
ScienceDaily (July 24, 2005)
... The high density, low cost, and other properties of DU make it an attractive choice as an anti-tank weapon. However, on impact, DU particulate is dispersed in the surrounding air both within and outside the targeted vehicle and suspended particulate may be inhaled or ingested. Concerns have been raised that exposure to uranium particulate could have serious health problems including leukemia, cancers, and neurocognitive effects, as well as birth defects in the progeny of exposed veterans and civilians.

Marshall's study concluded that the reports of serious health risks from DU exposure are not supported by veteran medical statistics nor supported by his analysis. Only a few U.S. veterans in vehicles accidentally struck by DU munitions are predicted to have inhaled sufficient quantities of DU particulate to incur any significant health risk. For these individuals, DU-related risks include the possibility of temporary kidney damage and about a 1 percent chance of fatal cancer....

Depleted uranium exposure should not increase cancer risk
30 July 2005
MORE than 14 years after the 1991 Gulf war ended, the majority of soldiers and civilians exposed to depleted uranium from anti-tank munitions can finally sleep a little easier. They are not at seriously increased risk of developing cancer, nor will their children have an inordinately high chance of birth defects, a two-year study by Sandia National Laboratories in the US has found.

Researchers calculated the amount of DU that would have been inhaled, ingested or become embedded under the skin of soldiers in tanks or involved in rescuing tank occupants, classified as Level 1 veterans, as well as civilians downwind of battlefields and children playing in contaminated vehicles. They then compared their predictions of the health effects with actual veteran medical statistics.

"Only a few Level 1 veterans inhaled sufficient quantities of DU to incur about a 1 per cent risk of radiation-induced lung cancer in addition to the risk for someone not exposed to DU," says Albert Marshall of the National Security Studies Department at Sandia. "Also these veterans may have experienced transient kidney damage. Health risks for Iraqi civilians are predicted to be very small, and claims of observable increases in leukaemia and birth defects from DU exposure are not supported by this study."

Depleted uranium has been the material of choice for anti-tank ammunition since the 1970s because of its high density and ability to self-sharpen on impact. An estimated 350 tonnes of it were fired at Iraqi tanks in the 1991 war.

Depleted Uranium Health Effects
Depleted uranium is not a significant health hazard unless it is taken into the body. External exposure to radiation from depleted uranium is generally not a major concern because the alpha particles emitted by its isotopes travel only a few centimeters in air or can be stopped by a sheet of paper. Also, the uranium-235 that remains in depleted uranium emits only a small amount of low-energy gamma radiation. However, if allowed to enter the body, depleted uranium, like natural uranium, has the potential for both chemical and radiological toxicity with the two important target organs being the kidneys and the lungs. The most likely pathways by which uranium could enter the body are ingestion and inhalation. The relative contribution of each pathway to the total uptake into the body depends on the physical and chemical nature of the uranium, as well as the level and duration of exposure.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by jmichna

Depleted uranium is what is left over after the isotope fraction used for nuclear fission is removed; DU is less radioactive than naturally occuring uranium.

Sources which claim birth defects resulting from military use of depleted uranium should be looked at closely for accuracy and scientific methodology. Just like other "health risks" being trumpeted for anything to do with nuclear energy, these types of DU claims have great propaganda value. DU has been studied extensively:

The Royal Society
Policy statements and Reports by Date
The health hazards of depleted uranium munitions-Part 1 (Full Report)
22 May 2001
...Except in extreme circumstances any extra risks of developing fatal cancers as a result of radiation from internal exposure to DU arising from battlefield conditions are likely to be so small that they would not be detectable above the general risk of dying from cancer over a normal lifetime....

Sandia Completes Depleted Uranium Study; Serious Health Risks Not Found
ScienceDaily (July 24, 2005)
... The high density, low cost, and other properties of DU make it an attractive choice as an anti-tank weapon. However, on impact, DU particulate is dispersed in the surrounding air both within and outside the targeted vehicle and suspended particulate may be inhaled or ingested. Concerns have been raised that exposure to uranium particulate could have serious health problems including leukemia, cancers, and neurocognitive effects, as well as birth defects in the progeny of exposed veterans and civilians.

Marshall's study concluded that the reports of serious health risks from DU exposure are not supported by veteran medical statistics nor supported by his analysis. Only a few U.S. veterans in vehicles accidentally struck by DU munitions are predicted to have inhaled sufficient quantities of DU particulate to incur any significant health risk. For these individuals, DU-related risks include the possibility of temporary kidney damage and about a 1 percent chance of fatal cancer....

Depleted uranium exposure should not increase cancer risk
30 July 2005
MORE than 14 years after the 1991 Gulf war ended, the majority of soldiers and civilians exposed to depleted uranium from anti-tank munitions can finally sleep a little easier. They are not at seriously increased risk of developing cancer, nor will their children have an inordinately high chance of birth defects, a two-year study by Sandia National Laboratories in the US has found.

Researchers calculated the amount of DU that would have been inhaled, ingested or become embedded under the skin of soldiers in tanks or involved in rescuing tank occupants, classified as Level 1 veterans, as well as civilians downwind of battlefields and children playing in contaminated vehicles. They then compared their predictions of the health effects with actual veteran medical statistics.

"Only a few Level 1 veterans inhaled sufficient quantities of DU to incur about a 1 per cent risk of radiation-induced lung cancer in addition to the risk for someone not exposed to DU," says Albert Marshall of the National Security Studies Department at Sandia. "Also these veterans may have experienced transient kidney damage. Health risks for Iraqi civilians are predicted to be very small, and claims of observable increases in leukaemia and birth defects from DU exposure are not supported by this study."

Depleted uranium has been the material of choice for anti-tank ammunition since the 1970s because of its high density and ability to self-sharpen on impact. An estimated 350 tonnes of it were fired at Iraqi tanks in the 1991 war.

Depleted Uranium Health Effects
Depleted uranium is not a significant health hazard unless it is taken into the body. External exposure to radiation from depleted uranium is generally not a major concern because the alpha particles emitted by its isotopes travel only a few centimeters in air or can be stopped by a sheet of paper. Also, the uranium-235 that remains in depleted uranium emits only a small amount of low-energy gamma radiation. However, if allowed to enter the body, depleted uranium, like natural uranium, has the potential for both chemical and radiological toxicity with the two important target organs being the kidneys and the lungs. The most likely pathways by which uranium could enter the body are ingestion and inhalation. The relative contribution of each pathway to the total uptake into the body depends on the physical and chemical nature of the uranium, as well as the level and duration of exposure.

You breath that stuff, and it ain't good. If the Israeli's are using that and WP as a weapon, then fu

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[jmichna]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

You breath that stuff, and it ain't good. If the Israeli's are using that and WP as a weapon, then fu

No doubt inhalation is a risk. The DU studies were based on war time use. If the Israelis are using it, they would be using it the same way. Health risks are always dependent on both the toxin and the exposure.

Haven't seen any mention of WP... is it being used? For that matter, is DU being used by Israel?

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by jmichna

No doubt inhalation is a risk. The DU studies were based on war time use. If the Israelis are using it, they would be using it the same way. Health risks are always dependent on both the toxin and the exposure.

Haven't seen any mention of WP... is it being used? For that matter, is DU being used by Israel?

There is commentary that both are being used, but more info needs to come out.

My baby brother is sitting at home now with damaged heart valves (all of them). He's on full military and SS disability from the firsr Gulf War. The doctor's say that DU was a possibility.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by jmichna

Depleted uranium is what is left over after the isotope fraction used for nuclear fission is removed; DU is less radioactive than naturally occuring uranium.

Sources which claim birth defects resulting from military use of depleted uranium should be looked at closely for accuracy and scientific methodology. Just like other "health risks" being trumpeted for anything to do with nuclear energy, these types of DU claims have great propaganda value. DU has been studied extensively:

The Royal Society
Policy statements and Reports by Date
The health hazards of depleted uranium munitions-Part 1 (Full Report)
22 May 2001
...Except in extreme circumstances any extra risks of developing fatal cancers as a result of radiation from internal exposure to DU arising from battlefield conditions are likely to be so small that they would not be detectable above the general risk of dying from cancer over a normal lifetime....

Sandia Completes Depleted Uranium Study; Serious Health Risks Not Found
ScienceDaily (July 24, 2005)
... The high density, low cost, and other properties of DU make it an attractive choice as an anti-tank weapon. However, on impact, DU particulate is dispersed in the surrounding air both within and outside the targeted vehicle and suspended particulate may be inhaled or ingested. Concerns have been raised that exposure to uranium particulate could have serious health problems including leukemia, cancers, and neurocognitive effects, as well as birth defects in the progeny of exposed veterans and civilians.

Marshall's study concluded that the reports of serious health risks from DU exposure are not supported by veteran medical statistics nor supported by his analysis. Only a few U.S. veterans in vehicles accidentally struck by DU munitions are predicted to have inhaled sufficient quantities of DU particulate to incur any significant health risk. For these individuals, DU-related risks include the possibility of temporary kidney damage and about a 1 percent chance of fatal cancer....

Depleted uranium exposure should not increase cancer risk
30 July 2005
MORE than 14 years after the 1991 Gulf war ended, the majority of soldiers and civilians exposed to depleted uranium from anti-tank munitions can finally sleep a little easier. They are not at seriously increased risk of developing cancer, nor will their children have an inordinately high chance of birth defects, a two-year study by Sandia National Laboratories in the US has found.

Researchers calculated the amount of DU that would have been inhaled, ingested or become embedded under the skin of soldiers in tanks or involved in rescuing tank occupants, classified as Level 1 veterans, as well as civilians downwind of battlefields and children playing in contaminated vehicles. They then compared their predictions of the health effects with actual veteran medical statistics.

"Only a few Level 1 veterans inhaled sufficient quantities of DU to incur about a 1 per cent risk of radiation-induced lung cancer in addition to the risk for someone not exposed to DU," says Albert Marshall of the National Security Studies Department at Sandia. "Also these veterans may have experienced transient kidney damage. Health risks for Iraqi civilians are predicted to be very small, and claims of observable increases in leukaemia and birth defects from DU exposure are not supported by this study."

Depleted uranium has been the material of choice for anti-tank ammunition since the 1970s because of its high density and ability to self-sharpen on impact. An estimated 350 tonnes of it were fired at Iraqi tanks in the 1991 war.

Depleted Uranium Health Effects
Depleted uranium is not a significant health hazard unless it is taken into the body. External exposure to radiation from depleted uranium is generally not a major concern because the alpha particles emitted by its isotopes travel only a few centimeters in air or can be stopped by a sheet of paper. Also, the uranium-235 that remains in depleted uranium emits only a small amount of low-energy gamma radiation. However, if allowed to enter the body, depleted uranium, like natural uranium, has the potential for both chemical and radiological toxicity with the two important target organs being the kidneys and the lungs. The most likely pathways by which uranium could enter the body are ingestion and inhalation. The relative contribution of each pathway to the total uptake into the body depends on the physical and chemical nature of the uranium, as well as the level and duration of exposure.

Yeah, and studies had shown that asbestos is harmless lead additive in paint/fuels were harmless too. No form of uranium is safe if man has had anything to do with it. Remember, asbestos is a natural product-till we mess with it....its funny how the studies were not conducted in the areas with the highest amount of particles per square meter, and the fact that on test ranges-some of our people have had 'strange' illnesses and birth complications/defects are a little more common with those individuals. When I was in Germany, you wore an NBC suit at minimum before you went anywhere around the ranges those rounds were fired on. And that was a Bundeswehr rule...

as a side note, remember agent orange?? it was studied to be harmless too....but the fact is, the study lasted 5 years, not the 15+ it took for the sign to show itself.

[einheit 13]

Originally Posted by jmichna

No doubt inhalation is a risk. The DU studies were based on war time use. If the Israelis are using it, they would be using it the same way. Health risks are always dependent on both the toxin and the exposure.

Haven't seen any mention of WP... is it being used? For that matter, is DU being used by Israel?

Desert warfare has always been conducted by armour...hell yes they are using it. AIr to ground is a mainstay of our doctrine, so it is for israel. You think anyone is honestly gonna step back and change the ammo because houses aren't armoured like tanks?? israel is bloddying the nose of Hamas, and regardless what anyone says, the civilians are paying the price...period. If israel was more concerned about 'just stopping the rockets', they would have taken the guerillia approach with SOG units. I know what the IDF can do, worked with them before...there is more to this than what you think...

[KingArthur]

Originally Posted by einheit 13

And as far as criticizing the Vatican about the death camps and the murders of innocent peoples during WW2...its very hard to condemn a fascist country when you live and prosper in a fascist country...remember were talking about the Italians, not Romans...there is a difference. Romans pretty much conquered everything (except parts of Germania)...Italians had a hard time with Ethiopia...

Clergy were invited to the high ranks and associations of the **** regime in WWII. I don't think that is hard to criticize them, just as I don't think it is hard to criticize the SS for those same atrocities. There were many people complicit and active in that genocide. I won't give them a pass, because it was simply "in vogue" to be rabid sadists durring that time period. To me it was reflective of the oppression and genocide commited against any group that was considered heretical by the Catholic institution for centuries. A thing they have yet to be appologetic for. In fact, on DISH you can still watch them today recounting the heretical movements, their attempts to purge them, and the appologetics on how it was justifiable and proper. So, for a high ranking member of an organization responsible for the deaths and torture of people for centuries who has no remorse for those activities having the gall to criticize Israel is the heigth of absurdity.