Vatican Cardinal Says Gaza Like A **** Death Camp

[billbrasky]

Arafat stole money from the Palestinians. Some Israelis estimate his "net worth" at $11 billion. Forbes calculates it at a mere $300 million, but last year, Israel's chief of military intelligence listed Arafat's personal assets at more than $1.3 billion. Whatever the actual amount, not bad pay for terrorism.

Yasser Arafat And The "Peace Process" by Larry Elder -- Capitalism Magazine

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

Etta hs left the building!

I was fairly certain that this would happen soon.

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Originally Posted by Frenchy

Etta hs left the building!

[DMWyatt]

Damn it! The most interesting debate to happen the past few days and I missed it.

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

. I really wish things were different over there.

I doubt anyone doesn't feel the same way. It's the perspective that differs.

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Regarding the article by Lewis, I don't think there is any comparison between the ***** and Hamas. Hamas is powerless. They are like annoying pests, not a fearsome power. They're not a sophisticated and organized society with one of the most powerful militaries in the world. They are poor, ineffective and desperate.

First of all, "desperate" in this kind of context generally means "dangerous". And here it certainly does.

As for comparing Germany's military to that of Hamas....your point is taken. However, if Hamas is not stopped, what is there to prevent them from assembling a more powerful military? What did Germany have militarily after the Treaty of Versailles?

It wasn't Israel that created the "desperate refugee mentality", it was the Arab world that encouraged the people who now call themselves "Palestinians" to leave Israel in the first place, and then turned their backs on them when they failed to destroy Israel as planned.

As for your number of Israeli casualties....I guess the suicide bombers don't count? Just those unlucky enough to get hit by (so far) unguided missiles?

There is a mentality at work here that clearly (IMO) defines who the "bad guys" are. I know most here are not old enough to remember what happened at the Munich Olympics. But I'm certain that almost everyone knows about it. Same with the hijackings of numerous aircraft by the PLO. The Achille Laurel. The countless suicide bombings in Israel (successful and not).

What kind of people plan, execute and applaud the bombing of a school bus filled with children?

Peace,
D.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I'm saying Israel is engaging in disproportionate response, and it's not going to do them any good, I suspect.

Did you read what I said? The Palestinians are not going anywhere. The Arab population in Israel combined with the Palestinians have more people than the Jews.

CORRECTION: There are still more Jews living in the area, but the Arab birth rate is higher.

About 1.5 million Arabs reside in Israel with 5.5 million Jews, but 3.8 million Palestinians live in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

ISRAEL’S 60 YEAR OLD LEGACY TO IT’S ARAB CITIZENS IS RACISM Desertpeace

[Delija]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

But, the Palestinians have a right to their own land, their own state and their own government.

Well, whether they have such a "right"' or not seems irrelevant. They were offered that and turned it down. What they want is the elimination of Israel.

Peace,
D.

[DMWyatt]

Originally Posted by Delija

I doubt anyone doesn't feel the same way. It's the perspective that differs.



First of all, "desperate" in this kind of context generally means "dangerous". And here it certainly does.

As for comparing Germany's military to that of Hamas....your point is taken. However, if Hamas is not stopped, what is there to prevent them from assembling a more powerful military? What did Germany have militarily after the Treaty of Versailles?

It wasn't Israel that created the "desperate refugee mentality", it was the Arab world that encouraged the people who now call themselves "Palestinians" to leave Israel in the first place, and then turned their backs on them when they failed to destroy Israel as planned.

As for your number of Israeli casualties....I guess the suicide bombers don't count? Just those unlucky enough to get hit by (so far) unguided missiles?

There is a mentality at work here that clearly (IMO) defines who the "bad guys" are. I know most here are not old enough to remember what happened at the Munich Olympics. But I'm certain that almost everyone knows about it. Same with the hijackings of numerous aircraft by the PLO. The Achille Laurel. The countless suicide bombings in Israel (successful and not).

What kind of people plan, execute and applaud the bombing of a school bus filled with children?

Peace,
D.

It's a shame that Israel has bowed to international pressure and bad press in recent history.

My dad and I frequently discuss the Israeli response to Munich and usually Margaret Thatcher's response to the hostage situation in 1980 within the same conversation. It's a shame that international politics and both Israel and Britain have degenerated into the situations they both find themselves in politically.

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Well, don't comment then. I certainly don't think you're offering anything constructive or useful in this thread.

And you are?

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by afmo

yeah, cause if we'd just get rid of the military the whole world would just get along...

Guns are evil. They kill people. Guns should be banned. Then there would be peace and love worldwide.