Vatican Cardinal Says Gaza Like A **** Death Camp

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I'm saying Israel is engaging in disproportionate response, and it's not going to do them any good, I suspect.

Did you read what I said? The Palestinians are not going anywhere. The Arab population in Israel combined with the Palestinians have more people than the Jews.

so are they powerful or not. Seems post to post their stature changes, which ever benefits your cause at that moment.

[bluemoonlabel]

Hamas fired 60 rockets at Israel today -- another bombardment in an aerial assault that's totaled 6,300 rockets and mortars since Israeli forces left the Gaza Strip in August, 2005. But today's weapons were different. These weren't short-range, home-made Qassam rockets that make up the bulk of Hamas' arsenal. Nor were they the longer-flying 122 mm Grad rockets, designed by the Soviets and made in Iran. Some of today's rockets flew an alarming 22 miles, hitting an empty school house in Beersheva, the unofficial capital of the Negev Desert region. And they were made in China.
The Israel military says that these Chinese rockets not only fly twice as far as the Grads, and four times further than the Qassams. They can "potentially cause much greater damage," too -- with "metal pallets that can spread out across a radius of up to 100 meters from the point of impact," according to YnetNews.
Israeli officials didn't specify which model of Chinese rocket is being used. But it's "most likely the Chinese WS-1E 122mm rocket," the well-sourced Defense Update notes. "These artillery rocket systems are employed by the People's Republic of China Army and were widely exported to third world countries."
The rocket measures about 2.9 meters (depending on type and range) and weighs 61-74 kg. According to [the] Sinodefence website, unlike the ubiquitous Grad, these Chinese rockets are using both fin and spin stabilization to achieve high accuracy and low dispersion of multiple rockets groups. Unlike the Grad, which uses a fixed amount of propellant and warhead, designed for maximum range of 20 km, the Chinese rocket uses a modular design, where some of the payload can be exchanged for propellant.
...The standard high explosive (RDX-based) warhead can be enhanced with the ZDB-2 blast fragmentation warhead, comprising high explosive charge, containing reduced RDX-based explosive charge, over 4,000 steel ball matrix liner and prefabricated fragmentation sheath, extending lethal effect over a radius of about 100 meters. A thermobaric warhead is also available, comprising of a 17kg warhead containing 6.2 kg of energetic composition and 1,500 steel balls for dual-purpose effect optimized for urban warfare, and the SZB-1 anti-personnel and anti-armor mines containing submunitions for area denial attack.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I'm saying Israel is engaging in disproportionate response, and it's not going to do them any good, I suspect.

Did you read what I said? The Palestinians are not going anywhere. The Arab population in Israel combined with the Palestinians have more people than the Jews.

What would your feelings be about proportionate response again? You really do need to pull you head out of Salon.com, Huffpost and the Nation occasionally.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

this says 13 died just in 2007

Death toll in Arab-Israeli conflict fell in 2007 | World news | The Guardian

I'm going by one source. Maybe he's wrong.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by XDConvert9mm

What would your feelings be about proportionate response again? You really do need to pull you head out of Salon.com, Huffpost and the Nation occasionally.

How many people have the Israelis killed in the last week or so? How many children?

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by bluemoonlabel

Hamas fired 60 rockets at Israel today -- another bombardment in an aerial assault that's totaled 6,300 rockets and mortars since Israeli forces left the Gaza Strip in August, 2005. But today's weapons were different. These weren't short-range, home-made Qassam rockets that make up the bulk of Hamas' arsenal. Nor were they the longer-flying 122 mm Grad rockets, designed by the Soviets and made in Iran. Some of today's rockets flew an alarming 22 miles, hitting an empty school house in Beersheva, the unofficial capital of the Negev Desert region. And they were made in China.
The Israel military says that these Chinese rockets not only fly twice as far as the Grads, and four times further than the Qassams. They can "potentially cause much greater damage," too -- with "metal pallets that can spread out across a radius of up to 100 meters from the point of impact," according to YnetNews.
Israeli officials didn't specify which model of Chinese rocket is being used. But it's "most likely the Chinese WS-1E 122mm rocket," the well-sourced Defense Update notes. "These artillery rocket systems are employed by the People's Republic of China Army and were widely exported to third world countries."
The rocket measures about 2.9 meters (depending on type and range) and weighs 61-74 kg. According to [the] Sinodefence website, unlike the ubiquitous Grad, these Chinese rockets are using both fin and spin stabilization to achieve high accuracy and low dispersion of multiple rockets groups. Unlike the Grad, which uses a fixed amount of propellant and warhead, designed for maximum range of 20 km, the Chinese rocket uses a modular design, where some of the payload can be exchanged for propellant.
...The standard high explosive (RDX-based) warhead can be enhanced with the ZDB-2 blast fragmentation warhead, comprising high explosive charge, containing reduced RDX-based explosive charge, over 4,000 steel ball matrix liner and prefabricated fragmentation sheath, extending lethal effect over a radius of about 100 meters. A thermobaric warhead is also available, comprising of a 17kg warhead containing 6.2 kg of energetic composition and 1,500 steel balls for dual-purpose effect optimized for urban warfare, and the SZB-1 anti-personnel and anti-armor mines containing submunitions for area denial attack.

The grad is the update 122 Katyusha from the Vietnam days.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by bluemoonlabel

Hamas fired 60 rockets at Israel today -- another bombardment in an aerial assault that's totaled 6,300 rockets and mortars since Israeli forces left the Gaza Strip in August, 2005. But today's weapons were different. These weren't short-range, home-made Qassam rockets that make up the bulk of Hamas' arsenal. Nor were they the longer-flying 122 mm Grad rockets, designed by the Soviets and made in Iran. Some of today's rockets flew an alarming 22 miles, hitting an empty school house in Beersheva, the unofficial capital of the Negev Desert region. And they were made in China.
The Israel military says that these Chinese rockets not only fly twice as far as the Grads, and four times further than the Qassams. They can "potentially cause much greater damage," too -- with "metal pallets that can spread out across a radius of up to 100 meters from the point of impact," according to YnetNews.
Israeli officials didn't specify which model of Chinese rocket is being used. But it's "most likely the Chinese WS-1E 122mm rocket," the well-sourced Defense Update notes. "These artillery rocket systems are employed by the People's Republic of China Army and were widely exported to third world countries."
The rocket measures about 2.9 meters (depending on type and range) and weighs 61-74 kg. According to [the] Sinodefence website, unlike the ubiquitous Grad, these Chinese rockets are using both fin and spin stabilization to achieve high accuracy and low dispersion of multiple rockets groups. Unlike the Grad, which uses a fixed amount of propellant and warhead, designed for maximum range of 20 km, the Chinese rocket uses a modular design, where some of the payload can be exchanged for propellant.
...The standard high explosive (RDX-based) warhead can be enhanced with the ZDB-2 blast fragmentation warhead, comprising high explosive charge, containing reduced RDX-based explosive charge, over 4,000 steel ball matrix liner and prefabricated fragmentation sheath, extending lethal effect over a radius of about 100 meters. A thermobaric warhead is also available, comprising of a 17kg warhead containing 6.2 kg of energetic composition and 1,500 steel balls for dual-purpose effect optimized for urban warfare, and the SZB-1 anti-personnel and anti-armor mines containing submunitions for area denial attack.

No link. No site listed. No date. Who the f*ck knows what this is?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

so are they powerful or not. Seems post to post their stature changes, which ever benefits your cause at that moment.

Power as in - in charge of the government.

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

No link. No site listed. No date. Who the f*ck knows what this is?

It is what is being used, Etta.

[bluemoonlabel]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

The Palestinians have killed 15 Israelis in the past 8 years.

So now Israel is at fault for not dying enough? At fault for running from their homes and schools to shelters to stay alive, those evil Jews they should just twirl their curls and wait for death one at a time, please...