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Old 12-01-2008, 08:08 PM   #11
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If 20,000 troops are told to act against the citizens of the United States, contrary to the law and the Constitution, a great deal will defect. Any who are foolish enough to go against their oath will probably face an armed civil war of citizens and the defected troops. I really don't see this as happening.
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:19 PM   #12
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fortunately money corrupts. if you can find the one who is interested in money more than honour, you can find yourself a valuable supplier of government "surplus"...........probably, i mean one would think right?

then again you could get rolled when he turns you over to his superiors! but this stinks for sure. big brother is getting everything in place. we are fukt i believe...
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Old 12-01-2008, 08:25 PM   #13
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You hope. A charismatic leader can talk the military into doing their bidding. And the military is trained to obey orders without question. Remember Hitler? Saddam Hussien? Etc. etc.

I hope you are right. But the possibility does exist.
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:36 PM   #14
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If 20,000 troops are told to act against the citizens of the United States, contrary to the law and the Constitution, a great deal will defect. Any who are foolish enough to go against their oath will probably face an armed civil war of citizens and the defected troops. I really don't see this as happening.
I must agree with you K.A. Don't see that happening. Unless, Martial Law is declared. That would take something very serious to justify it. And if it did; The Citizens would greatly outnumber 20,000. Plus, at least 1/2 or more Military would defect.
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I must agree with you K.A. Don't see that happening. Unless, Martial Law is declared. That would take something very serious to justify it. And if it did; The Citizens would greatly outnumber 20,000. Plus, at least 1/2 or more Military would defect.
yea, but they really big things that go BOOM!
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Wouldn't be the first time I have taken fire from a hostile force. I am rather hoping it is the last.
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Yeah, I remember it well. It was actually from some military site, wasn't, it? I have kept that in the back of my mind ever since, especially because I googled it and found that it was substantiated on other sites. Spooky is right, this is starting to seem like a nightmare.
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I must agree with you K.A. Don't see that happening. Unless, Martial Law is declared. That would take something very serious to justify it. And if it did; The Citizens would greatly outnumber 20,000. Plus, at least 1/2 or more Military would defect.
Is it really still considered defection if you actually choose to uphold your oath? I understand what the military courts would say, but wouldn't the true defectors be the ones violating the constitution they swore to protect?
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That is why they have a back up force of non US citizens. They will follow the orders



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U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, left, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, and Canadian Air Force Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command, signed a Civil Assistance Plan that allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency. The signing took place at U.S. Army North headquarters, Fort Sam Houston, Texas, Feb. 14, 2008.

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SAN ANTONIO, Texas — U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, and Canadian Air Force Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command, have signed a Civil Assistance Plan that allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.
“This document is a unique, bilateral military plan to align our respective national military plans to respond quickly to the other nation's requests for military support of civil authorities,” Renuart said. “Unity of effort during bilateral support for civil support operations such as floods, forest fires, hurricanes, earthquakes and effects of a terrorist attack, in order to save lives, prevent human suffering and mitigate damage to property, is of the highest importance, and we need to be able to have forces that are flexible and adaptive to support rapid decision-making in a collaborative environment.”
“The signing of this plan is an important symbol of the already strong working relationship between Canada Command and U.S. Northern Command,” Dumais said. “Our commands were created by our respective governments to respond to the defense and security challenges of the twenty-first century, and we both realize that these and other challenges are best met through cooperation between friends.”
The plan recognizes the role of each nation's lead federal agency for emergency preparedness, which in the United States is the Department of Homeland Security and in Canada is Public Safety Canada. The plan facilitates the military-to-military support of civil authorities once government authorities have agreed on an appropriate response.
U.S. Northern Command was established on Oct. 1, 2002, to anticipate and conduct homeland defense and civil support operations within the assigned area of responsibility to defend, protect, and secure the United States and its interests.
Similarly, Canada Command was established on Feb. 1, 2006, to focus on domestic operations and to offer a single point of contact for all domestic and continental defense and security partners.
The two domestic commands established strong bilateral ties well before the signing of the Civil Assistance Plan. The two commanders and their staffs meet regularly, collaborate on contingency planning and participate in related annual exercises.
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