EPA wants to tax livestock emissions

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by gsh341

Here's an idea for you to consider.

In the early 1800's there were 60-100 million buffalo roaming the plains and countless more elk, deer, and moose that there are today

American Bison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Current domestic livestock number about 105 million.

Cattle Outlook: Live Demand Showing Strong Growth - Cattle Network


Are the farts of domesticated cattle more potent than wild animal farts? I sincerely doubt it.

I'd suggest you look somewhere else for the cause of your imaginary global warming.

I think the quality of the diet of the animals has something to do with the amount of methane they produce. Those free ranging animals of the 1800s were eating prairie grass - probably healthier than what most cattle eat today.

[XDConvert9mm]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Why? We have food coops here. This is a large city. There are community gardens here. They have them in Chicago and New York too. We have large organic farms within San Diego County. Illinois and New York have an abundance of farming communities, as does California and most states. I don't know that economies of scale in farming is that relevant - or desirable anymore. I could be wrong.

I think people growing their own food is a good idea.

What percentage of the population currently uses Co-ops and community gardens? Maybe 5% on the high side? Now, jack that up to 100% and see if the supply can still meet demand.

I think it's a good idea in theory too. Just not so much in actual practice in today's society.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

We should eat local. I don't care where you live.

So you are capable of growing everything you need ??

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Grow a garden or join a coop and buy meat grown as near to your house as possible. People out here have community gardens if they don't have room in their yards. It would take some adjustment, but I think it would be worth it.

I await the collapse, and hope you are able to tell us how well that works out before you die of starvation.

Keep giving us those updates.

Ignorance is Strength

[deerslayer]

First the ethanol issue stressing animal ag, then the horse slaughter ban, now this. Nonsense legislation will be the death of animal agriculture, and also plant agriculture, in this nation.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

Why? We have food coops here. This is a large city. There are community gardens here. They have them in Chicago and New York too. We have large organic farms within San Diego County. Illinois and New York have an abundance of farming communities, as does California and most states. I don't know that economies of scale in farming is that relevant - or desirable anymore. I could be wrong.

I think people growing their own food is a good idea.

And you still bring in 100's of big trucks of food daily.

Face reality ... You'd die.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

I think the quality of the diet of the animals has something to do with the amount of methane they produce. Those free ranging animals of the 1800s were eating prairie grass - probably healthier than what most cattle eat today.

You grasp at straws that do not exist.

[deerslayer]

^^ Good point AZXD. To say that free-roaming bison had a better, more nutrient rich diet than feedlot cattle do probably shows a blatant lack of understanding in ruminant nutrition. One pound of prairie grass does not have the TDN of an equal weight of commercial cattle feed found in a feedlot.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by AZXD

You grasp at straws that do not exist.

I know that diet affects methane production. I admit ignorance on the difference between buffalo/bison of the old days and the cattle of today. I read that confining them on feedlots and giving them grain produces more methane.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by deerslayer

^^ Good point AZXD. To say that free-roaming bison had a better, more nutrient rich diet than feedlot cattle do probably shows a blatant lack of understanding in ruminant nutrition. One pound of prairie grass does not have the TDN of an equal weight of commercial cattle feed found in a feedlot.

What is TDN?