EPA wants to tax livestock emissions

[jaydog]

Ever catch and kill your own food Etta? The process of turning an animal into food involves DEATH. But it's about LIFE.

Large scale farming operations aren't pretty. Neither are factories. And that's what a large farm essentially is - a factory. The days of the quaint cottage industry providing for the needs of society disappeared long ago. The picturesque family farm providing for the food needs of our country disappeared long ago as well - and the truth is - even those small farms were - at the end of the day - about death. We had a calf/steer for a couple of years as kids - named Hamburger. Because our folks wanted it very clear in our minds that he wasn't a pet - he was food.

Reality is harsh sometimes. What the heck do folks want - a bunch of cattle, sheep, chickens and pigs gamboling about in the sunshine and grass to the strains of the Sound of Music right up until the bolt punctures the steer's skull or the chicken's neck snapped? Get real. They're food on the hoof - not cute little fuzzy pets.

[deerslayer]

And once again, because we JUST finished discussing Proposition 8 and slaughterhouse procedures....

a. Meat has a high protein and satiety value, making it the most viable source of protein available.
b. There are strict codes and standards for what is allowed in the food chain, high quality control to bring the best product to the consumer (which is why you never find injection site hematomas in your steak)
c. Most people have the inherent good sense not to live near such an operation
d. Most operations are strategically located for purposes of climate, shipping, integration, etc
e. Said operations have governmental guidelines for how animals are treated, most of them drawing upon ethology to ensure the most humane sacrifice possible.
f. The issue at hand is the EPA's regulation of livestock emissions, not slaughterhouse ethics and morality- enough said.

and my mother has no place in this. I'll take the word of my Ph.D professors and agricultural professionals over someone not involved in the industry.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

We should find another way. Again, those operations are disgusting. People probably would never eat meat again if they saw the way those animals were treated.

I'm all ears ... Provide a solution that will feed a place like LA, forget the junk aroud it ... Just feed LA.

Don't forget, recently you wanted to convert semi's to electricity to make deliveries to places like LA ... But I think you were talking vegetables back then, and it was shown that the electric conversion would not work.

So provide a solution ... Please !

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by jaydog

Ever catch and kill your own food Etta? The process of turning an animal into food involves DEATH. But it's about LIFE.

Large scale farming operations aren't pretty. Neither are factories. And that's what a large farm essentially is - a factory. The days of the quaint cottage industry providing for the needs of society disappeared long ago. The picturesque family farm providing for the food needs of our country disappeared long ago as well - and the truth is - even those small farms were - at the end of the day - about death. We had a calf/steer for a couple of years as kids - named Hamburger. Because our folks wanted it very clear in our minds that he wasn't a pet - he was food.

Reality is harsh sometimes. What the heck do folks want - a bunch of cattle, sheep, chickens and pigs gamboling about in the sunshine and grass to the strains of the Sound of Music right up until the bolt punctures the steer's skull or the chicken's neck snapped? Get real. They're food on the hoof - not cute little fuzzy pets.

I grew up on a farm, so I know about cattle and pigs and chickens. I have never seen an animal killed, but I have witnessed animal necropsies.
I don't see anything wrong with the scenario in your second paragraph. My grandfather actually talked to his animals. He had respect for them. He didn't treat them like a bushel of corn or soybeans.

[deerslayer]

Originally Posted by AZXD

I'm all ears ... Provide a solution that will feed a place like LA, forget the junk aroud it ... Just feed LA.

Now wait just a minute, are we talking about my home or are we talking about the city I have no intention of visiting in this lifetime?

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by deerslayer

And once again, because we JUST finished discussing Proposition 8 and slaughterhouse procedures....

a. Meat has a high protein and satiety value, making it the most viable source of protein available.
b. There are strict codes and standards for what is allowed in the food chain, high quality control to bring the best product to the consumer (which is why you never find injection site hematomas in your steak)
c. Most people have the inherent good sense not to live near such an operation
d. Most operations are strategically located for purposes of climate, shipping, integration, etc
e. Said operations have governmental guidelines for how animals are treated, most of them drawing upon ethology to ensure the most humane sacrifice possible.
f. The issue at hand is the EPA's regulation of livestock emissions, not slaughterhouse ethics and morality- enough said.

and my mother has no place in this. I'll take the word of my Ph.D professors and agricultural professionals over someone not involved in the industry.

So, you're saying that methane DOES NOT pollute the atmosphere?

There are large-scale CAFOs, many of them owned by people from other countries, moving into areas of Michigan, Ohio and Indiana where people already have farms and residences. These people are not happy.

[deerslayer]

No, I'm saying that its production in agriculture should be considered negligible, and that attempting to tax emissions per head of stock will further stress an already fragile agricultural economy.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by AZXD

I'm all ears ... Provide a solution that will feed a place like LA, forget the junk aroud it ... Just feed LA.

Don't forget, recently you wanted to convert semi's to electricity to make deliveries to places like LA ... But I think you were talking vegetables back then, and it was shown that the electric conversion would not work.

So provide a solution ... Please !

What?? Convert semis to electricity???

[AZXD]

This is one of many threads that all have the same solution ... Massive depopulation of the planet.

Some people get it

The environmental group really needs to look in the mirror for a problem, and stop looking into it for a magical solution.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Etta Place

What?? Convert semis to electricity???

Answer the question first.
What is the solution to feeding a place like LA ??