Governments can't handle global run on gold coins

[yeahYeah]

GOVERNMENTS CAN'T HANDLE GLOBAL RUN ON GOLD COINS - New York Post

THERE'S a worldwide run on gold coins.
Even as the price of the precious metal itself comes under pressure along with commodities like oil and copper, people around the world are demanding so many of the valuable coins that government mints are having difficulty filling orders.
A spokesperson for the US Mint tells me that gold coins in this country, for the past month, "are being allocated because of an increased demand."
And the price that the government charges coin dealers has recently been increased by as much as 10 percent for a 10-ounce coin.
Robert Mish, a coin dealer in Menlo Park, Calif., says customers who want to purchase 200 gold coins often have to wait up to two weeks. Six months ago, he said, a purchase that size could have been filled immediately.
Someone who recently tried to purchase 100 one-ounce American Eagle gold coins in the New York City-area was turned away, even though he'd uneventfully made purchases before through the same dealer.
And even when gold coins are available, dealers report that customers are paying a bigger premium than they would have just a few months ago.
Previously, American Eagle coins were going for 5 percent over the market price of gold on the Commodity Exchange (Comex). Now the premium can be anywhere from 10 percent to 15 percent, even though the US Mint raised its price to dealers by just 3 percent for an ounce coin.
In one sense, the attraction for gold coins isn't surprising. Since ancient times, gold has been considered the safest investment to hold in times of uncertainty.
With fears of future inflation rising and concern about the value of paper currency and government-debt increasing with each new recovery plan announced in Washington and in foreign capitals, the desire to hold gold grows.
That part makes perfect sense. But there's another more puzzling aspect to the recent gold rush.
Even as the demand for gold coins such as the Canadian Maple Leaf or the Krugerrand of South Africa has grown, the market price of the precious metal itself is off its highs.
In early October, the price of an ounce of gold on the spot market was about $930 an ounce. With the commodities bubble bursting in recent months, gold declined into the upper $600 range. Spot gold closed yesterday at $739.90, down $2.60.
Bill Murphy, chairman of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, says the price of spot gold is even more perplexing given the demand for coins and the fact that central banks in Europe have stopped selling gold into the open market.
"Gold should be moving up," Murphy says. "How could there be such a dichotomy between the historic high premium for coins all over the world and the low Comex price?"
His answer? "Today the public is buying gold like crazy, but the US government and the banks that hold bullion are intentionally keeping the price down."
Ah, but that column will have to wait for another day.
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Finally, someone in Washington is complaining about the coziness between the government and Goldman Sachs - which, incidentally, has been going on unfettered for the greater part of two decades.
If you've been reading this column for any length of time, you already know I have been griping loudly about the obvious inappropriateness of this Washington/Wall Street liaison and have spent considerable energy outlining my suspicions.
Now, Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley, the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, is asking the inspector general of the US Treasury to investigate whether some government officials who formerly worked at Goldman let their "relationships" cloud their judgment during the merger of Wells Fargo and Wachovia.
In case you aren't up on the Goldman-to-govern ment express train, cur rent Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson is a for mer Goldman chairman, as was Robert Rubin who headed the department during Bill Clinton's presidency.
And more Goldman execs are being mentioned for the Treasury job in President-elect Barack Obama's administration.
Specifically, Grassley is concerned about a tax code change that paved the way for the acquisition of Wachovia by Wells Fargo. An ex-Goldman executive was leading Wachovia at the time of that deal.
Here's the answer he'll get from Treasury and Paulson: these are dangerous times and anything that was done was for the good of the country. In other words, they'll drag out the old national security argument.
Grassley will become a minnow in the next Democrat-controlled Congress. But the Democrats need to take up the baton, turn it into a club and see just what Paulson has been up to.
As I've written before, Paulson has admitted that part of his job was to keep in touch with "market participants." Calling his friends on Wall Street - and especially at Goldman - would be an odd extension of the role of Treasury secretary and I certainly would like to know what he felt compelled to tell these folks.
Like - did Paulson leak to Wall Street last August the fact that the Federal Reserve was about to begin interest-rate cuts?
All Grassley or the Democrats need to do is subpoena Paulson's phone records and meeting minutes of his secretive President's Working Group on Financial Markets. But I don't think anyone in Washington has the nerve.

when our govt. cannot borrow from the chinese anymore and our dollar crashes, the people causing this rush now will be sitting back enjoying the insanity.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

GOVERNMENTS CAN'T HANDLE GLOBAL RUN ON GOLD COINS - New York Post



when our govt. cannot borrow from the chinese anymore and our dollar crashes, the people causing this rush now will be sitting back enjoying the insanity.

If it comes to that (which I don't believe will happen in our life time anyway) ammo will be more valuable. IMO.

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by nickb

If it comes to that (which I don't believe will happen in our life time anyway) ammo will be more valuable. IMO.

i've read that it could if our debtor nations request repayment for all the money we borrow from them. i may be wrong though.

[Carnivorous]

In which case we'll request payment from all of those who borrowed from us. It's a big circle. A lot like the banks... one goes down the tubes, and it drags everyone else with it. The US currently occupies the position of "too big to fail", and everyone knows it. So nobody will be calling our debts anytime soon.

[Carnivorous]

By the way, don't get confused... these are not an investment! They are appreciated but do not appreciate in value. Liquidity is high, but only when things get heated.

[blefferd]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

GOVERNMENTS CAN'T HANDLE GLOBAL RUN ON GOLD COINS - New York Post



when our govt. cannot borrow from the chinese anymore and our dollar crashes, the people causing this rush now will be sitting back enjoying the insanity.

Originally Posted by nickb

If it comes to that (which I don't believe will happen in our life time anyway) ammo will be more valuable. IMO.

thats why ive been stock piling both!! ammo, gold, silver, lots of silver...

[xd9fan]

yeap I have been saying for some time:
now its about Guns, Gold, Ammo and Silver. If you have more money buy food. and Good Luck.

Govt is spending money they dont have to cure the crisis.
Politicians cant stop from "doing something" They always think they have the answers AND they will not listen to the majority of the people. They dont fear us. Long term....human history has not been kind to a people given this.

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by xd9fan

yeap I have been saying for some time:
now its about Guns, Gold, Ammo and Silver. If you have more money buy food. and Good Luck.

Govt is spending money they dont have to cure the crisis.
Politicians cant stop from "doing something" They always think they have the answers AND they will not listen to the majority of the people. They dont fear us. Long term....human history has not been kind to a people given this.

food may be worth more then gold in the long run...everyone needs it. w/o it they die.

there are already foot riots around the world. no one is rioting over gold.