So, I'm reading Ron Paul's Book "Revolution - a manifesto"

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

i said earlier in this thread that it's painful to read parts of this book because it challenges much of what i believe. There IS truth to his statement about 9/11, but he seems to justify the actions of AQ and in a way stick up for them. I do agree that us meddling in everyone's affairs will cause trouble - my eyes have opened to that in the past few months. I agree with him almost 100% on economic issues which is indeed our true ackillies heal right now. He has the baggage of his kook base to deal with which has always been a turn off to me.

To be sure, Paul is an extremist. He propses radical change in many ares. A message like that will not resonate with most middle of the roaders. Even I have a hard time with some of his solutions. I don't agree with some of his end goals, I strongly agree that we need to change course and move in those directions. Even if Paul made PResident, I knew he did not have a hope in hell of accomplishing 10% of what he wanted. I just wanted the shift to begin.

I agree with his FP message of what we are doing wrong. I don't not agree at all that anything we have done warrants the killing of thousands of civillians. AQ gets no understanding from me. I do know Paul has flirted with that understanding. While I don't agree with some of his conclusions, it does not make his vision for our FP wrong.

His kook followers have never bothered me. He is extreme compared to the current batch of Reps and Dems. Also, even for Paul being nonmainstream, he garnered a lot of support and actually looked viable for a while. Where else do you expect the kooks to line up?

[AZXD]

I would have liked to see Paul v Obama for the Presidency ... Talk about comparing records over a desire to see CHANGE ... The debate would have been a wonderful thing to see.

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by Powerman

To be sure, Paul is an extremist. He propses radical change in many ares. A message like that will not resonate with most middle of the roaders. Even I have a hard time with some of his solutions. I don't agree with some of his end goals, I strongly agree that we need to change course and move in those directions. Even if Paul made PResident, I knew he did not have a hope in hell of accomplishing 10% of what he wanted. I just wanted the shift to begin.

I agree with his FP message of what we are doing wrong. I don't not agree at all that anything we have done warrants the killing of thousands of civillians. AQ gets no understanding from me. I do know Paul has flirted with that understanding. While I don't agree with some of his conclusions, it does not make his vision for our FP wrong.

His kook followers have never bothered me. He is extreme compared to the current batch of Reps and Dems. Also, even for Paul being nonmainstream, he garnered a lot of support and actually looked viable for a while. Where else do you expect the kooks to line up?

I will never agree 100% with anyone, but RP does speak more of my language. His FP is not bad, but considering the state of things on this planet, it's more of a suicide wish right now. It would take decades to undo all the FP mistake from the past 60 years.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

I will never agree 100% with anyone, but RP does speak more of my language. His FP is not bad, but considering the state of things on this planet, it's more of a suicide wish right now. It would take decades to undo all the FP mistake from the past 60 years.

Perhaps ... But once a mistake is identified ... Should it continue to be supported, or should it be corrected ??

I think that is the more important question, than qualifying if something should be done because of the expected timeframe to implement the corrective action.

What do you think ??

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Perhaps ... But once a mistake is identified ... Should it continue to be supported, or should it be corrected ??

I think that is the more important question, than qualifying if something should be done because of the expected timeframe to implement the corrective action.

What do you think ??

correction of course. however the cynic in me thinks all is too far gone now.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

correction of course. however the cynic in me thinks all is too far gone now.

Understood !!

The title of the book is _________ ??

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Understood !!

The title of the book is _________ ??

AZ - i feel it in my bones - it's comin' to that!!!!!!

read the writing on the wall.

[AZXD]

I have

[azguns0331]

Originally Posted by Rhino1

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2. {I have nothing against mall security guards. Nothing at all. Still, when Ron Paul infers that our mall security guards have been the key line of defense protecting our malls from terrorist attacks, he's just. . . being Ron Paul.

Host : "It's a helluva a lot easier, to use your terminology, to blow up a mall, if they could pull it off, because people in a mall aren't armed."
Ron Paul : "But we have security."
Host :"So, you're saying that security guards in a mall do a better job than U.S. Marines in Iraq?"
Ron Paul : 'So far. So far they're doing pretty well. I mean, we haven't...how has it come that we haven't had another attack?"}

In any context, this is a major affront to me as i am a Marine and I was on the ground in Iraq doing my part to SUCCESSFULLY facilitate the handover of the deadliest province in Iraq, Al Anbar, to Iraqi Army/Police control.
The Marines were not on the planes that hit the trade centers, but they have been making huge successes on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, putting away Al Qaida and Taliban operatives. I have no problem with mall sec guards but R.P. can eat a chode if he really believes what he said. ( I think he may have misunderstood the host's question, esp. if this was a live broadcast)
I would suggest that a great measure of the safety our homeland has enjoyed for the past 7 years is directly due to the actions of our hardworking military service members overseas, not Mall Ninjas. How many times have the Mall guys successfully averted a major terrorist attack? Not enough to warrant preferred treatment over the Marines, thats for sure.

That being said, i do agree with alot of RPs viewpoints, however i dont know enough to dismiss nor support. We need sweeping action ASAP and that requires more than one man. If Obama isnt the messiah, then neither is ron paul.

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by azguns0331

In any context, this is a major affront to me as i am a Marine and I was on the ground in Iraq doing my part to SUCCESSFULLY facilitate the handover of the deadliest province in Iraq, Al Anbar, to Iraqi Army/Police control.
The Marines were not on the planes that hit the trade centers, but they have been making huge successes on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, putting away Al Qaida and Taliban operatives. I have no problem with mall sec guards but R.P. can eat a chode if he really believes what he said. ( I think he may have misunderstood the host's question, esp. if this was a live broadcast)
I would suggest that a great measure of the safety our homeland has enjoyed for the past 7 years is directly due to the actions of our hardworking military service members overseas, not Mall Ninjas. How many times have the Mall guys successfully averted a major terrorist attack? Not enough to warrant preferred treatment over the Marines, thats for sure.

That being said, i do agree with alot of RPs viewpoints, however i dont know enough to dismiss nor support. We need sweeping action ASAP and that requires more than one man. If Obama isnt the messiah, then neither is ron paul.

This is what I will say. I've heard the interview. Paul tries to get his point across. Every interview I have seen him in, the interviewer tries not to let him do that. They rapid fire questions and comments trying to get him to say something stupid. Quite a few times they were sucessful.

Ron Paul does not believe mall guards are keeping us safe. His point in the interview was that there is more to keeping us safe at home than waging wars on the other side of the globe.

The media handled him like a kook, and guess what he looked like. Katie wanted Palin to look like an idiot. She succeeded. Then all the pro big government Republicans put everything he said under a microscope and disected him. He never had a chance.

I don't take a man by his disected sentences and out of context quotes. I take him by his actions. I find Paul to be a protector of the Constitution, he has a love of this country that even Ray Charles can see. Those two alone should make him a favorite of any service member.