So, I'm reading Ron Paul's Book "Revolution - a manifesto"

[Rhino1]

Through redistricting, Ron Paul has been my congressman off and on for several terms. I agree with some of his policies, but he is from the planet Zenon. He lost me forever when he blamed America for 9/11. He has also disrespected the troops. As a Veteran, I can't support anyone who does that, and never will support him again.
Down here his tag line is the "taxpayer's best friend". It is a bogus claim. He is second or third in the greater Houston area for earmarks. He adds the earmarks to bills he knows will pass easily, then he votes against the bill to give the appearance that he is battling for the taxpayer.
I went to a local gun show early in the presidential primaries. There was a Ron Paul booth outside. When I left the show, there was a Lyndon Larouche booth next to it. I always thought they were the same person.

[ForTehNguyen]

Originally Posted by Rhino1

Through redistricting, Ron Paul has been my congressman off and on for several terms. I agree with some of his policies, but he is from the planet Zenon. He lost me forever when he blamed America for 9/11. He has also disrespected the troops. As a Veteran, I can't support anyone who does that, and never will support him again.
Down here his tag line is the "taxpayer's best friend". It is a bogus claim. He is second or third in the greater Houston area for earmarks. He adds the earmarks to bills he knows will pass easily, then he votes against the bill to give the appearance that he is battling for the taxpayer.
I went to a local gun show early in the presidential primaries. There was a Ron Paul booth outside. When I left the show, there was a Lyndon Larouche booth next to it. I always thought they were the same person.

hes said the terrorists were to blame, but they had reasons for doing it; our foreign interventions and embargos etc. When did he disrespect any troops.

[rupert]

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

hes said the terrorists were to blame, but they had reasons for doing it; our foreign interventions and embargos etc. When did he disrespect any troops.

I agree. He has never disrespected the troops

Honor the warrior not the war!

[Rhino1]

1. YGBSM! You defend Ron Paul's blaming of America for 9/11 because "the terrorist had their reasons?!" With such deep thinking, no wonder we just elected a Marxist as president.

2. {I have nothing against mall security guards. Nothing at all. Still, when Ron Paul infers that our mall security guards have been the key line of defense protecting our malls from terrorist attacks, he's just. . . being Ron Paul.

Host : "It's a helluva a lot easier, to use your terminology, to blow up a mall, if they could pull it off, because people in a mall aren't armed."
Ron Paul : "But we have security."
Host : "So, you're saying that security guards in a mall do a better job than U.S. Marines in Iraq?"
Ron Paul : 'So far. So far they're doing pretty well. I mean, we haven't...how has it come that we haven't had another attack?"}

I served 22 years including a combat tour in Vietnam. I have experienced "disrespecting the troops" first hand. I don't know what you would call his radio interview.

He is a two faced, blow hard. He is no friend of the military. He talks a good game about taxes (see earlier comments). He talks tough on the border but has done NOTHING. What has he done for Ramos and Campeone?

[Cogz]

Originally Posted by Rhino1

1. YGBSM! You defend Ron Paul's blaming of America for 9/11 because "the terrorist had their reasons?!" With such deep thinking, no wonder we just elected a Marxist as president.

2. {I have nothing against mall security guards. Nothing at all. Still, when Ron Paul infers that our mall security guards have been the key line of defense protecting our malls from terrorist attacks, he's just. . . being Ron Paul.

Host : "It's a helluva a lot easier, to use your terminology, to blow up a mall, if they could pull it off, because people in a mall aren't armed."
Ron Paul : "But we have security."
Host : "So, you're saying that security guards in a mall do a better job than U.S. Marines in Iraq?"
Ron Paul : 'So far. So far they're doing pretty well. I mean, we haven't...how has it come that we haven't had another attack?"}

I served 22 years including a combat tour in Vietnam. I have experienced "disrespecting the troops" first hand. I don't know what you would call his radio interview.

He is a two faced, blow hard. He is no friend of the military. He talks a good game about taxes (see earlier comments). He talks tough on the border but has done NOTHING. What has he done for Ramos and Campeone?

Could you please provide a reference for that quote rhino?

Not saying it didn't happen, but to me it seems we are missing a LOT of context here.

[yeahYeah]

as i read his book, i see these things about him more and more. IMO, he has a blame america first mentality, esp. when it comes to war. He does make some valid points, some of which i agree with, but my problem with him has always been that he does not live in reality.

He wants a 1776 foriegn policy in the age of air planes and ICBM's.

True - we would not be in most of the messes if it were not for our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. Americans let it happen and our govt. gladly sat on it for 30 years.

[Powerman]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

as i read his book, i see these things about him more and more. IMO, he has a blame america first mentality, esp. when it comes to war. He does make some valid points, some of which i agree with, but my problem with him has always been that he does not live in reality.

He wants a 1776 foriegn policy in the age of air planes and ICBM's.

True - we would not be in most of the messes if it were not for our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. Americans let it happen and our govt. gladly sat on it for 30 years.

Let me ask you something. Seriously.

When does a honest look at what is not working become "blame America"???

I do understand the label when it is attached to the left wing anti war nuts. However, it is also a label slapped on anyone that disagrees. Nothing but a slogan.

Paul has laid out a very strong case as to where America has gone wrong. He has build a very solid reputation of adhereing to the Constitution. So how is he just dissmissed as a America blamer??? He never said the U.S. was behind 9/11. He said we brought it on ourselves. While that is not the 100% truth, thereis truth to that statement. Also, that does not absolve the terrorist of responsibility for there actions, and he has never said otherwise.

When we will we take an honest look at what is going on and take responsibility for our actions??? It's like being lost. Most folks plow ahead and think they know where they are going. They just get more lost. If we have truly lost our way and got off course from what our Constitution directs, when is the right time to admit we are lost???

[ForTehNguyen]

Originally Posted by yeahYeah

as i read his book, i see these things about him more and more. IMO, he has a blame america first mentality, esp. when it comes to war. He does make some valid points, some of which i agree with, but my problem with him has always been that he does not live in reality.

He wants a 1776 foriegn policy in the age of air planes and ICBM's.

True - we would not be in most of the messes if it were not for our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. Americans let it happen and our govt. gladly sat on it for 30 years.

no America thinks its their job to go police the world. They stick their nose in other peoples fights, and then wonders why people are mad at them. Oil dependancy is just solved with free trade.

How is having a non interventionalist foreign policy, strong national defense not possible in 2008 vs 1776? Technology is irrelevant to the design and meaning of that philosophy.

[yeahYeah]

Originally Posted by Powerman

Let me ask you something. Seriously.

When does a honest look at what is not working become "blame America"???

I do understand the label when it is attached to the left wing anti war nuts. However, it is also a label slapped on anyone that disagrees. Nothing but a slogan.

Paul has laid out a very strong case as to where America has gone wrong. He has build a very solid reputation of adhereing to the Constitution. So how is he just dissmissed as a America blamer??? He never said the U.S. was behind 9/11. He said we brought it on ourselves. While that is not the 100% truth, thereis truth to that statement. Also, that does not absolve the terrorist of responsibility for there actions, and he has never said otherwise.

When we will we take an honest look at what is going on and take responsibility for our actions??? It's like being lost. Most folks plow ahead and think they know where they are going. They just get more lost. If we have truly lost our way and got off course from what our Constitution directs, when is the right time to admit we are lost???

i said earlier in this thread that it's painful to read parts of this book because it challenges much of what i believe. There IS truth to his statement about 9/11, but he seems to justify the actions of AQ and in a way stick up for them. I do agree that us meddling in everyone's affairs will cause trouble - my eyes have opened to that in the past few months. I agree with him almost 100% on economic issues which is indeed our true ackillies heal right now. He has the baggage of his kook base to deal with which has always been a turn off to me.

[AZXD]

yeahYeah did it ever occur to you that someone will always view a portion of a leaders base as being a "kook base" ??

Everyone who is wiling to share a message and gain a following, will have a "kook base", and they will also be titled as a leader.

Do you wish to listen to the message, or the few who make up the "kook base" ??

IMO, they gather for a reason, and it is becase they all see value in the message.

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