Deepen Gun Ownership

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by afmo

Well, one that is gifted to a known felon is called a straw purchase.

One that is willed, then the person should submit to a background check prior to taking ownership of it.

Its got nothing to do with limiting gun owners. 9 times out of 10 you have to have a BG check anyway.

If a dad dies and wills his gun collection to his son, and his son is a felon who is now out of prison, should he have access to those guns?

i don't think so.

Excellent ... Full support of the gun-grabber mentality ... You've got my vote

Bring on the Staci and let the personal invasion begin.
What the hell ever happened to responsibility and accountability in this country.

I actually hoped you would respond to the drunk driver comment I made.

I can tell you how to reduce drunk driving ... Pass law at the state level that states if you driving under the influence, and someone gets hurt ... You medically receive the equivalent injury ... If you kill someone, or cause the victim to become vegetative ... You die.

It's called responsibility!!!

The executor of a will along with the designated lawyer can handle what you mentioned about a felon taking possession of a gun.

Afmo, you are on a slippery slope.

[afmo]

and herein lies the PR problem that gun owners have.

ANY gun law is automatically met with accusations of "gun grabber" and whatever other insults you want to fling.

I'm by NO means a gun grabber. You're lobbing attacks at people on the same team as you.

Requiring a background check isn't anything out of the ordinary. Its required to work a lot of places. I've had to have 3 between working for a school district and becoming a teacher. I've had to have 4 to purchase 4 firearms. Each one was NOT intrusive in any way.

I'm not disagreeing with you that we need personal responsibility, but we also need to make sure the people buying guns aren't criminals. Its just that simple.

So go ahead, flame to a crisp the people on your team...infighting will bring down the most steadfast of groups.

[afmo]

I actually hoped you would respond to the drunk driver comment I made.

i did

I agree that the FAULT does not lie with the machine, but cars and guns were designed to do two VERY different things.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by afmo

who's punishing gun owners?

making sure someone isn't mentally adjudicated or a criminal prior to purchasing a firearm is NOT what i would call "punishing" gun owners.

I guess you'd be ok with allowing everyone to own guns then? Rapists, drug dealers, thieves, everyone should be able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun? Is that what your saying?

and before you begin, forget the "well criminals don't get their guns from stores" argument. I get it. But what it sounds like you're saying is that you want to give criminals MORE venues to get guns....

Seriously, whats so wrong with running someone's info through NICS before purchasing a firearm?

"Rapists, drug dealers, thieves" already possess guns ... What are you getting at ?? ... That these people purchase them legally ... Yea, maybe like .001% ... The rest of them buy them on the streets, probably from other criminals so they can escalate their criminal mindset.


What's so wrong with it ??
Get the hell out of California and realize what freedom is.
I can sell, or buy whatever firearm I want in Arizona from an individual without all the BS you are advocating, the fee's that would be required, etcetera.

Then again ... I'm a responsible person ... I'd never sell a gun to someone I do not know ... I don't hangout with people who commit crimes, and I sure wouldn't but a gun from someone I didn't know ... Heck, to give you an idea of what responsible is ... I went into the local PD conversed with a Sargent and he ran a gun serial number for me, just so I could verify the background of a gun I purchased face-to-face ... Guess what, it was clean. But it had been used in a shooting by the local PD about twenty years ago

Wanna guess who I purchased that gun from ??

[afmo]

Originally Posted by AZXD

"Rapists, drug dealers, thieves" already possess guns ... What are you getting at ?? ... That these people purchase them legally ... Yea, maybe like .001% ... The rest of them buy them on the streets, probably from other criminals so they can escalate their criminal mindset.


What's so wrong with it ??
Get the hell out of California and realize what freedom is.
I can sell, or buy whatever firearm I want in Arizona from an individual without all the BS you are advocating, the fee's that would be required, etcetera.

Then again ... I'm a responsible person ... I'd never sell a gun to someone I do not know ... I don't hangout with people who commit crimes, and I sure wouldn't but a gun from someone I didn't know ... Heck, to give you an idea of what responsible is ... I went into the local PD conversed with a Sargent and he ran a gun serial number for me, just so I could verify the background of a gun I purchased face-to-face ... Guess what, it was clean. But it had been used in a shooting by the local PD about twenty years ago

Wanna guess who I purchased that gun from ??

ahh, and thats what it boils down to isn't it? The state-hate.

gotcha.

I don't see anything wrong with making sure someone buying a gun is legally able to do so.

we'll have to agree to disagree.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by afmo

and herein lies the PR problem that gun owners have.

ANY gun law is automatically met with accusations of "gun grabber" and whatever other insults you want to fling.

I'm by NO means a gun grabber. You're lobbing attacks at people on the same team as you.

Requiring a background check isn't anything out of the ordinary. Its required to work a lot of places. I've had to have 3 between working for a school district and becoming a teacher. I've had to have 4 to purchase 4 firearms. Each one was NOT intrusive in any way.

I'm not disagreeing with you that we need personal responsibility, but we also need to make sure the people buying guns aren't criminals. Its just that simple.

So go ahead, flame to a crisp the people on your team...infighting will bring down the most steadfast of groups.

Sorry about that, but until you figure out that the majority of criminals do not legally purchase firearms ... You're gonna be wrong.

I've had ... Heck I can't remember how many NCIS checks I might have had this year ... But I'm guessing only one or two ... My CCW covers things now ...
But I have had them for work etcetera.
Yea, funny how us law abiding people don't mind them.

Criminals don't walk into gun stores, can you agree with this ??

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by afmo

Actually, i agree with this...

I'm sorry, there shouldn't be a sale of a firearm that doesn't require a background check. I think the fee should be removed because it amounts to a "tax" on a constitutional right, but there should not be an instance where a person can go purchase a firearm without a background check.

NICS is not a burden on the buyer. I'm sure people woudl be glad to kill the time waiting for the check to come back browsing the gun store or gun show.

requiring a background check is not gun control IMO.

If this is the case then there needs to be a free, fast, effective, and non-recorded method for anyone in America to conduct an NICS check.

Private sale of a firearm should not be illegal, and should not require costly mediation through a FFL.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by robinsre

If this is the case then there needs to be a free, fast, effective, and non-recorded method for anyone in America to conduct an NICS check.

Private sale of a firearm should not be illegal, and should not require costly mediation through a FFL.

I agree 100%. I even said the fee should be removed on the first page...

[afmo]

Criminals don't walk into gun stores, can you agree with this ??

I do agree.

But i don't see anything wrong with making sure one doesn't.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by afmo

ahh, and thats what it boils down to isn't it? The state-hate.

gotcha.

I don't see anything wrong with making sure someone buying a gun is legally able to do so.

we'll have to agree to disagree.

Nope, it's not state hate ... I like California, but have no intentions to visit the place anytime soon ... You have some crazy laws that are mandated by a few areas and imposed upon the state though ... Don't you agree ??