Deepen Gun Ownership

[Palmguy]

Originally Posted by afmo

Actually, i agree with this...

I'm sorry, there shouldn't be a sale of a firearm that doesn't require a background check. I think the fee should be removed because it amounts to a "tax" on a constitutional right, but there should not be an instance where a person can go purchase a firearm without a background check.

NICS is not a burden on the buyer. I'm sure people woudl be glad to kill the time waiting for the check to come back browsing the gun store or gun show.

requiring a background check is not gun control IMO.

So I shouldn't be allowed to sell a gun to friend from work? I realize this is probably illegal in your state but it sure as hell isn't in Florida and many other states.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by Palmguy

So I shouldn't be allowed to sell a gun to friend from work? I realize this is probably illegal in your state but it sure as hell isn't in Florida and many other states.

not what i said at all.

i said i think every gun sale should require a background check.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Tell that to the victim of a drunk driver ... It's never the fault of a piece of machinery.

Wanna try for a psychological exam to make a purchase ??
How about DNA ??

I prefer that we stop supporting invasions into peoples private affairs, and start getting tough on the people who do harm to others ??

I agree that the FAULT does not lie with the machine, but cars and guns were designed to do two VERY different things.

[KingWulfgar]

Originally Posted by afmo

cars aren't designed to kill

Neither are half my guns (target shooters).

I'm all for background checks, but I still don't see how making legal purchases harder or more paperwork-ridden stops the criminal from obtaining a gun. They will not abide by the laws to begin with.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by afmo

not what i said at all.

i said i think every gun sale should require a background check.

What about the one that is willed/gifted to a son/daughter or other family member ??

[mgeoffriau]

Originally Posted by afmo

cars aren't designed to kill

If guns are designed to kill, all of mine are defective.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by AZXD

What about the one that is willed/gifted to a son/daughter or other family member ??

Well, one that is gifted to a known felon is called a straw purchase.

One that is willed, then the person should submit to a background check prior to taking ownership of it.

Its got nothing to do with limiting gun owners. 9 times out of 10 you have to have a BG check anyway.

If a dad dies and wills his gun collection to his son, and his son is a felon who is now out of prison, should he have access to those guns?

i don't think so.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

If guns are designed to kill, all of mine are defective.

the gun was designed to be a quick, efficient way to kill.

I'm not saying that they are all USED for that purpose, we all know they aren't.

but the fact remains that the gun was designed to propel projectiles at things, with the intent to kill them.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by KingWulfgar

Neither are half my guns (target shooters).

I'm all for background checks, but I still don't see how making legal purchases harder or more paperwork-ridden stops the criminal from obtaining a gun. They will not abide by the laws to begin with.

Exactly ... You're talking about a criminal element conforming to a prescribed law ... It makes no sense to even venture down this path ... It has way to many holes in it for the average purchaser of a firearm.

60-80 million estimated gun owners and someone wants to punish them to curb a criminal element that does not follow the rules to begin with ... WRONG.

FWIW: This is a gun-grabber argument, and is easily refuted.

[afmo]

60-80 million estimated gun owners and someone wants to punish them to curb a criminal element that does not follow the rules to begin with ... WRONG.

who's punishing gun owners?

making sure someone isn't mentally adjudicated or a criminal prior to purchasing a firearm is NOT what i would call "punishing" gun owners.

I guess you'd be ok with allowing everyone to own guns then? Rapists, drug dealers, thieves, everyone should be able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun? Is that what your saying?

and before you begin, forget the "well criminals don't get their guns from stores" argument. I get it. But what it sounds like you're saying is that you want to give criminals MORE venues to get guns....

Seriously, whats so wrong with running someone's info through NICS before purchasing a firearm?