Deepen Gun Ownership

[eric_t12]

Originally Posted by afmo

Actually, i agree with this...

I'm sorry, there shouldn't be a sale of a firearm that doesn't require a background check. I think the fee should be removed because it amounts to a "tax" on a constitutional right, but there should not be an instance where a person can go purchase a firearm without a background check.

NICS is not a burden on the buyer. I'm sure people woudl be glad to kill the time waiting for the check to come back browsing the gun store or gun show.

requiring a background check is not gun control IMO.

sorry, have to disagree. one friend of mine, every single time he purchases firearms, has to wait at least 3 days for the nics to be cleared.

common names and all that.

It is a burden. I'm not a criminal. maybe if the criminals were in jail they wouldn't need to check MY RECORDS.





The IDEA of nics is a good one, its well intentioned. but like almost all of the 'good intentions' laws, it ignores the root problems for a solution to the sympton, not the sickness.

[afmo]

Originally Posted by eric_t12

sorry, have to disagree. one friend of mine, every single time he purchases firearms, has to wait at least 3 days for the nics to be cleared.

common names and all that.

It is a burden. I'm not a criminal. maybe if the criminals were in jail they wouldn't need to check MY RECORDS.





The IDEA of nics is a good one, its well intentioned. but like almost all of the 'good intentions' laws, it ignores the root problems for a solution to the sympton, not the sickness.

not saying the system is perfect as it is...

[NDB_MN]

Wow, say registration and everyone pisses themselves.

Of course Canada's system is ****. Most of their social systems are, but it doesn't mean something better couldn't be made. I'd rather register my guns than have another AWB. If you're going to conspiracy-theorize it that the government would use that database to blah blah bla... well, if the gov't is that interested they already have you on database now.

In fact, just by posting on the internet, on this forum, they know you have guns. Ever sent an e-mail using Gmail, Yahoo, or any other major e-mail network? Yep, they got that too. Use a credit card to purchase a gun or gun accessory? ZIP got that info too. Sheesh people, this is the 21st century, THERE IS NO PRIVACY anymore.

[DMWyatt]

Originally Posted by NDB_MN

Wow, say registration and everyone pisses themselves.

Of course Canada's system is ****. Most of their social systems are, but it doesn't mean something better couldn't be made. I'd rather register my guns than have another AWB. If you're going to conspiracy-theorize it that the government would use that database to blah blah bla... well, if the gov't is that interested they already have you on database now.

In fact, just by posting on the internet, on this forum, they know you have guns. Ever sent an e-mail using Gmail, Yahoo, or any other major e-mail network? Yep, they got that too. Use a credit card to purchase a gun or gun accessory? ZIP got that info too. Sheesh people, this is the 21st century, THERE IS NO PRIVACY anymore.

You honestly believe that a registration is a valid form of gun control, and that it will circumvent an AWB if the government is so inclined? Are you kidding me? You must be joking, because what you're saying makes absolutely no sense. Why would the government compromise and say if A you get B, when they already have the authority they need without a compromise?

[NDB_MN]

I'm talking about what I'd rather have. They will do whatever they feel like, gun owners be damned. It's a ****ing hypothetical, and given the choice I'd rather have registration. Registration doesn't do much good, but it'd be better than the AWB silliness. Oh no! A Pistol Grip! That's a deadly rifle now!

[goodformeto]

Originally Posted by retired

Are you being serious here or sarcastic. You do not have the sarcastic smilie, but who knows. All of those things bother me and I believe they are a very big deal.

The drop test shouldn't be required for a gun to be sold here. Think about this: The same guns we cannot buy because they have not passed the drop test and therefore are considered are unsafe, can be purchased by a Ca. leo.

Why should a leo be permitted to buy an unsafe firearm and shouldn't there be some law passed in the state to prohibit that. Doesn't the legislature care if a Ca. leo is hurt by an "unsafe" firearm.

We shouldn't have to wait one day to buy the gun either. The NCIC check takes only a very short period of time. Furthermore, the 1 gun every 30 days restriction should also be removed.

As far the one box of ammo at one time you mentioned, that must be some city law where you are, because I've never had that restriction placed on me. I've gone into Walmart and bought 5 boxes of WWB 9mm at 100/box. I've also bought a box of 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 500 rounds each of 9mm and 38 cal. at a gun show.

I'm completely serious. I waited for the BiTone to be approved by the state for 6 months before I gave up a had my dealer order me a black XDD45 tactical. This is another example of how "reasonable" gun controll just ends up being gun controll. It seemed pretty benign to make manufatures (and thus buyers) submit guns for safety testing and government approval, but then even large manufactures like Springer dicide they can't afford to comply and I'm out my gun.

My wife and I refer to it as "Death By a Thousand Papercuts." I'm sure the phrase was stolen from someone pretty smart.