Deepen Gun Ownership

[Frenchy]

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

But you're assuming that we all agree with the idea of gunshows complying with the same rules. I'm not sure that I do -- but I'm supposed to "take the lead" on that issue just so that gun-grabbers can't do it first?

I assume because it's logical and does not fly in the face of the 2nd. Amendment.

[Palmguy]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

I assume because it's logical and does not fly in the face of the 2nd. Amendment.

Some of us don't want to start down the road that has the outlawing private tranfers at the end.

[NDB_MN]

Ok, I know I'm going to get flak for this, but whatever.

Someone mentioned cars killing far more people than guns earlier, a flawed analogy in some respects, but it got me thinking. Look at how much is spent on training individuals in the use of cars. Then, licensing and registering each car to its owner.

Seems strange to me that much LESS is required to own a firearm. I'm not talking a yearly fee like license tabs for cars, but some better, more accurate tracking system coupled with required user knowledge would be acceptable in my mind. I'm on the fence about limiting a person's ability to sell their firearm to another person directly with no record - on one hand, I believe we should have the right to sell our personal property how we want, however... it is a GUN... I know if I ever sell any of my guns I will be keeping signed transaction records.

One thing I CAN'T get over though is how stupid most of the provisions in the AWB are. Clearly no gun without a pistol grip has ever committed a violent crime, and it's impossible to kill with a magazine that only holds 10 rounds ... riiiiiiiight. They need to cut out the idiotic parts of these legislative efforts and do something that will ACTUALLY help prevent illegal access to firearms. How about life imprisonment for gun trafficking? And the fact still remains that small-caliber pocket guns are the majority of violent crime weapons - guns that rarely exceed 10 rounds in the first place. Not many criminals run around with ARs and AKs strapped to their backs...

[mgeoffriau]

Originally Posted by Frenchy

I assume because it's logical and does not fly in the face of the 2nd. Amendment.

That's a non-argument. Stating something as if it's fact doesn't make it fact. I've already stated that I disagree and explained my grounds for disagreement.

Originally Posted by NDB_MN

Someone mentioned cars killing far more people than guns earlier, a flawed analogy in some respects, but it got me thinking. Look at how much is spent on training individuals in the use of cars. Then, licensing and registering each car to its owner.

Not technically true. Licensing and registration are for the privilege of using a car on public (government-owned) roads. You have every legal right to purchase a car without being a licensed driver.

[ForTehNguyen]

you have a PRIVILEGE to own and operate a motor vehicle, you have a RIGHT to own arms. Theres a big difference. You are far more likely to be Constitutionally protected to own a weapon instead of a car.

[Brickboy240]

True.

The Bill of Rights mentions the right to own firearms (right after free speech). It says nothing about transportation.

Big difference if you ask me.

Al Gore and Sarah Brady used to make that statement...because it appealed to those that did not think too hard. "if we register cars...why not register guns?"

It simply is a bad comparison...period and it does not hold up to logic...sorry.

- Brickboy240

[tomfoolery]

Before we go around tossing more laws on the books why not enforce the ones we have?

When a guy comitts a crime and gets 20 years in prison but gets out in 3...that's the problem! We need to tighten the loophols in the penal system! Europe has less of a gun problem because they uphold the sentences handed out.

[NDB_MN]

The analogy part doesn't, but when thinking about it I'd be more willing to federally register my guns than to suffer another stupid AWB.

And the Registration may actually HELP limit gun crime by making those weapons more traceable and making gun trafficking harder. The AWB won't change a damn thing, just like last time.

[jamestx10]

Originally Posted by tomfoolery

Before we go around tossing more laws on the books why not enforce the ones we have?

When a guy comitts a crime and gets 20 years in prison but gets out in 3...that's the problem! We need to tighten the loophols in the penal system! Europe has less of a gun problem because they uphold the sentences handed out.

+ A ZILLION

When the crime is committed then make them pay. We do not need more gun control. We need more crime control. You can not keep guns away from criminals but you can make them wish they never saw a gun once they have used it in a crime.

[ichy_trigger]

Im not for registering guns in any form, Im ok with the way we handle current gun sales and I would be ok with using an FFL for ALL gun sales if there were a way of guarenteeing that we never have to deal with any other restrictions.

I really believe that most guns used in crimes are guns that are stolen from private individuals or dealers. It does not matter what laws are really put into effect, you mill probably never stop a person who is truly intent on commiting a crime with a gun. Hell, look at canada, they restricted them and still have crimes being commited.

Make the punishment harsher for those that do commit heinous crimes.