Lawsuits filed in 8 states for Obama's birthcert.

[Carnivorous]

Originally Posted by AwPhuch

You really should read the entire article bud


Public view is different that giving it to the panel that is to determine your eligibility to be the POTUS..of which 0bama has done neigher of those.

I did. McCain did NOT release his birth certificate publicly. The article specifically says that. The exact words in the article are: "As I reported earlier, the McCain campaign has declined to publicly release the senator's birth certificate."

I don't know what you mean by "giving it to the panel that is to determine your eligibility to be POTUS." The McCain campaign showed it to Michael Dobbs, the author of the article I linked, who is a journalist. Are you saying that journalists determine who is and isn't eligible to be POTUS?

If you're somehow saying that there is a "panel" of people who determine presidential eligibility, you're wrong. No such panel exists. As McCain stated in the court filing that I cited above, the only arbiter of eligibility is the public electorate. Not journalists. Not some "panel".

And why the double-standard? The Obama campaign let several journalists examine the birth certificate that they claim to have. You and several others don't count that as doing anything to prove the certificate's authenticity. But now that's somehow "the right thing" when it comes to McCain?

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Carnivorous

I did. McCain did NOT release his birth certificate publicly. The article specifically says that. The exact words in the article are: "As I reported earlier, the McCain campaign has declined to publicly release the senator's birth certificate."

I don't know what you mean by "giving it to the panel that is to determine your eligibility to be POTUS." The McCain campaign showed it to Michael Dobbs, the author of the article I linked, who is a journalist. Are you saying that journalists determine who is and isn't eligible to be POTUS?

If you're somehow saying that there is a "panel" of people who determine presidential eligibility, you're wrong. No such panel exists. As McCain stated in the court filing that I cited above, the only arbiter of eligibility is the public electorate. Not journalists. Not some "panel".

And why the double-standard? The Obama campaign let several journalists examine the birth certificate that they claim to have. You and several others don't count that as doing anything to prove the certificate's authenticity. But now that's somehow "the right thing" when it comes to McCain?

what part of mccains nationality are you disputing ?

obama was adopted by a foreign national, became citizen of indonesia, and never legally re entered into america as a guest. He is an illegal alien.

Mccain was born to american citizens, in panama on an american military base i assume. By all means show me he was not born on a base, or military hospital, and that mccain was adopted by a foreign national.

Or that he snuck back into the country.

Or has been passing laws for ten years int he state and US senate and he is not even a citizen.

this is pure crap, its not even close to being the same.

Are you disputing that he was adopted by an indonesian man ? and was taken to indonesia, was in a school where only indonesian citizens could attend, and took his adopted fathers name ?

Please show or ask barry to show his papers allowing him to even visit america.

[sloan1919]

There should be laws against this level of stupidity.

Sloan

[nickb]

It's a legitimate issue.

I don't know enough about the specifics, but if OB's citizenship was clear there would be no legal action pending IMO.

If naturalized citizenship was not an issue, OB could easily be 12 points behind Arnold right now.

[Carnivorous]

Originally Posted by billbrasky

what part of mccains nationality are you disputing ?

::sigh:: I think both Obama and McCain meet the minimum eligibility for president.

Please follow what I am saying carefully.

1. Some people questioned McCain's eligibility for president.

2. McCain did not publicly release a birth certificate.

3. In court, in order to stop the lawsuit against him, McCain argued that only the voters can determine a person's eligibility for president.

4. Based on McCain's argument, the court dismissed the challenge to McCain's eligibility.

THEREFORE,

A. It is false to reason that Obama should release his birth certificate because McCain released his. See #2.

B. It is hypocritical to accept McCain's argument that his eligibility is a closed matter, and then say that Obama's citizenship should be vetted in court before the election. See #3.

----------

Any other straw men you want to raise?

[Carnivorous]

Originally Posted by nickb

It's a legitimate issue.

I don't know enough about the specifics, but if OB's citizenship was clear there would be no legal action pending IMO.

If naturalized citizenship was not an issue, OB could easily be 12 points behind Arnold right now.

McCain's citizenship was clear, but a lawsuit was filed anyway. As we discovered with OJ, there is no way to 100% prove or convince the world that any fact is true.

Fun fact, I can file a lawsuit at any time against any one, and allege whatever I want. That does not make the allegation true. Second fun fact, there are a number of laws and rules regarding lawsuits that give each side certain periods of time to respond to court filings and motions. Unless extraordinary facts and urgency exists, there is practically no way to get a court to rule on a case within 60 days of filing the case. It simply doesn't happen. The case against Obama was filed by Berg around August 24th. The fact that it's still pending is no surprise to anyone, and the fact that the judge hasn't yet ruled means NOTHING.

[billbrasky]

Originally Posted by Carnivorous

::sigh:: I think both Obama and McCain meet the minimum eligibility for president.

Please follow what I am saying carefully.

1. Some people questioned McCain's eligibility for president.

2. McCain did not publicly release a birth certificate.

3. In court, in order to stop the lawsuit against him, McCain argued that only the voters can determine a person's eligibility for president.

4. Based on McCain's argument, the court dismissed the challenge to McCain's eligibility.

THEREFORE,

A. It is false to reason that Obama should release his birth certificate because McCain released his. See #2.

B. It is hypocritical to accept McCain's argument that his eligibility is a closed matter, and then say that Obama's citizenship should be vetted in court before the election. See #3.

----------

Any other straw men you want to raise?

not hipocritcal for me, i dont think that was a wise move on mccains part. No doubt one would assume no one in the senate is an illegal alien, so it wasnt top of mind to assume you were shooting your self in the foot.

what was the premise that mccain was not a citizen ?

did it have any merit in your opinion ?

i am being fair and open minded. Please share.

there is compelling evidence obama is an illegal.

so you think someone being popular, and folks wishing him to be a citizen is a good litmus test for citizenship? thats crap, thats juvenile. I can prove it because it would only work in this case. I do not think leaders are inherently better than me, if i was an illegal from mexico who crossed over the border last week, explain how i can make the same argument that i am infact NOT an illegal. How do i get a defacto citzenship by being popular in my neighborhood ? You cant and so the candidates shouldn't either.

scrap them both as candidates if you want, i dont care. But obama from what i have seen is not in any way a citizen.

[Cannibul]

Originally Posted by AwPhuch

And you wonder why he is going to Hawaii to see his "sick grandmother" that already has said she was in the hospital room when 0bama was born...IN KENYA!!!

More like school her on "this paper I'm fixing to give them, its real...wink wink (with knife at her throat)"

Hmm... need to get it straight. The grandmother in Hawaii is his MATERNAL grandmother.

The grandmother that claims she was present in the delivery room when he was born in Kenya is his PATERNAL grandmother.

Now also don't forget that back in 1981 BHO traveled to Pakistan on a Indonesian passport because travel to Pakistan at the time was a NO TRAVEL zone for US citizens.

What Obama and the DNC admitted by not replying to this lawsuit is this.

OBAMA - Admitted:

1. I was born in Kenya.
2. I am a Kenya “natural born” citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
6. My mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
7. The COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website “Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
8. I was adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
9. I was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia.
10. I was not born in Hawaii.
11. I was not born at the Queens Medical Center in Hawaii.
12. I was not born at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawaii.
13. I was not born in a Hospital in Hawaii.
14. I am a citizen of Indonesia.
15. I never took the “Oath of Allegiance” to regain my U.S. Citizenship status.
16. I am not a “natural born” United States citizen.
17. My date of birth is August 4, 1961.
18. I traveled to Pakistan in 1981 with my Pakistan friends.
19. In 1981, I went to Indonesia on my way to Pakistan.
20. Pakistan was a no travel zone in 1981 for American Citizens.
21. In 1981, Pakistan was not allowing American Citizens to enter their country.
22. I traveled on my Indonesian Passport to Pakistan.
23. I renewed my Indonesian Passport on my way to Pakistan.
24. My senior campaign staff is aware I am not a “natural born” United States Citizen.
25. I am proud of my Kenya Heritage.
26. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
27. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
28. My relatives have requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
29. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my first name.
30. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my last name.
31. I requested changes to the portion of my birth certificate that identifies my place of birth.
32. The document identified as my Indonesian School record from Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia is genuine.
33. I went to a Judge in Hawaii to have my name changed.
34. I went to a Senator and/or Congressman or other public official in Hawaii to have my name changed.
35. I had a passport issued to me from the Government of Indonesia.
36. The United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
37. I am ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.
38. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Indonesia.
39. I never renounced my citizenship as it relates to my citizenship to the country of Kenya.
40. I am an Attorney who specializes in Constitutional Law.
41. Kenya was a part of the British Colonies at the time of my birth.
42. Kenya did not become its own Republic until 1963.
43. I am not a “Naturalized” United States Citizen.
44. I obtained $200 Million dollars in campaign funds by fraudulent means.
45. I cannot produce a “vault” (original) long version of a birth certificate showing my birth in Hawaii. 46. My “vault” (original) long version birth certificate shows my birth in Kenya.
47. The only times I was to a Hospital in Hawaii was for check-ups or medical treatments for illnesses. 48. Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
49. Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii does not have any record of my mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) giving birth to me.
50. I was born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
51. I represented on my State Bar application in Illinois that I never used any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama.
52. I went by the name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia.
53. My Indonesian school records are under the name of Barry Soetoro.
54. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when admitted to the State Bar of Illinois to practice Law.
55. I took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution when I was Sworn into my United States Senate Office.
56. I hold dual citizenship with at least one other Country besides the United States of America.

DNC - Admitted:

1. The DNC nominated Barrack Hussein Obama as the Democratic Nominee for President.
2. The DNC has not vetted Barrack Hussein Obama.
3. The DNC did not have a background check performed on Barrack Hussein Obama.
4.The DNC did not verify Barrack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to serve as President of the United States.
5. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya.
6. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born” United States citizen.
7. The DNC admits Barrack Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii.
8.The DNC admits they have not inquired into Barrack Hussein Obama’s citizenship status.

9. The DNC admits they have a duty to properly vette the Democratic Nominee for President.
10.The DNC admits Lolo Soetoro, M.A., an Indonesian citizen adopted Barrack Hussein Obama.

11. The DNC admits the Credentials Committee has been aware of this lawsuit since August 22, 2008 as the lawsuit was faxed to our Washington D.C. Office on August 22, 2008.
12. The DNC admits their Credentials Committee failed to verify and/or inquire into the credentials of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as the President of the United States.
13. The DNC admits their Credential Committee’s Report failed to address the issues of Barack Hussein Obama’s ineligibility to serve as President of the United States.
14.The DNC admits Howard Dean, Chair Person has and had knowledge Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.
15. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all Democratic citizens of the United States have been personally injured as a result of not having a qualified Democratic Presidential Nominee to cast their votes upon.
16. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to vote for the President of the United States and to have two (2) qualified candidates of which to choose from.
17. The DNC admits Plaintiff and all citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to have a properly vetted Democratic Presidential Nominee of which to cast their vote.
18. The DNC admits an FBI background check is not performed on the Presidential or Vice Presidential Candidates.
19. The DNC admits the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a “natural born” United States citizen.
20. The DNC admits they collected donations on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama for his Presidential campaign.
21. The DNC admits Plaintiff and Democratic citizens donated money based on false representations that Barack Hussein Obama was qualified to serve as the President of the United States.
22. The DNC admits if Barack Hussein Obama is elected as President and allowed to serve as President of the United States in violation of our Constitution, it will create a Constitutional crisis.
23. The DNC admits Barack Hussein Obama took an Oath to uphold the United States Constitution.
24. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to due process of law in violation of the United States Constitution.
25. The DNC admits allowing a person who is not a “natural born” citizen to serve as President of the United States violates Plaintiff’s rights to Equal Protection of the laws in violation of the United States Constitution.
26. The DNC admits the function of the DNC is to secure a Democratic Presidential Candidate who will protect Democratic citizen’s interests, fight for their equal opportunities and fight for justice for all Americans.
27. The DNC admits the Democratic National Committee has been promoting Barack Hussein Obama’s Presidential election knowing he was ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

[nickb]

Originally Posted by Carnivorous

McCain's citizenship was clear, but a lawsuit was filed anyway. As we discovered with OJ, there is no way to 100% prove or convince the world that any fact is true.

Fun fact, I can file a lawsuit at any time against any one, and allege whatever I want. That does not make the allegation true. Second fun fact, there are a number of laws and rules regarding lawsuits that give each side certain periods of time to respond to court filings and motions. Unless extraordinary facts and urgency exists, there is practically no way to get a court to rule on a case within 60 days of filing the case. It simply doesn't happen. The case against Obama was filed by Berg around August 24th. The fact that it's still pending is no surprise to anyone, and the fact that the judge hasn't yet ruled means NOTHING.

You mean like electing an illegal alien POTUS?

Fun fact, you can withdraw a lawsuit as well. Which would have been done had Obama made his citizenship clear. Again....IMO.

[AZXD]

IMO, Illegal aliens and forged documents allow many people to obtain positions that are dismissed with minimal notice due to the controversial nature of the work being performed.

Consider these two items that took one google search - secret security clearance illegal alien - Google Search

Nada Nadim Prouty, a 37-year-old Lebanese national and resident of Vienna, Va., pleaded guilty today in the Eastern District of Michigan to charges of fraudulently obtaining U.S. citizenship, which she later used to gain employment at the FBI and CIA; accessing a federal computer system to unlawfully query information about her relatives and the terrorist organization Hizballah; and conspiracy to defraud the United States.
Michelle Malkin Hey, how many other illegal aliens are working in the Bush administration?

In these documents, recently published by the Office of Inspector General (OIG) at the Florida Dept. of Transportation (FDOT), Federal Investigators from the Homeland Security Office's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency confirm that Chinese national Hai Lin Nee (a/k/a Henry Nee), whoClint Curtis has charged with being an illegal alien and working for Yang Enterprises, Inc. (YEI) on top-secret security clearance contracts, was indeed an illegal alien as of January 1, 2000.
The BRAD BLOG DOCS: "Feds Confirm Hai Lin 'Henry' Nee is an Illegal Alien" Page 1

With all this controversy ... I'd like to know we are holding a valid election.
.
.