Obama Encourages Individual, Government, Wall Street Responsibility

[Sirius1963]

Originally Posted by KingWulfgar

If he had voted against the $850 Billion Bailout, I might have been willing to consider that, but he fell right in line with the rest of them that kept preaching "we need to free up the credit (easy money) market" and "we need to bail out these corporations/banks." His walk does not match his talk and he can say whatever he wants--it won't matter, he's proven himself a complete phony when it comes to that statement.

Why do you continue to believe everything he says even though it is directly contradicted in a lot of cases by his actions? Why do you continue to believe he will do things "differently" once he's President than he did when he was a Senator and candidate? Why do you continue to take what he says at face value?

I'm not sure if anybody else caught this during the VP debates, but Smokin Joe Biden made an interesting comment (I'm paraphrasing, go watch the debate if you want exact transcript) " I've been in congress thirty (whatever) years, I"m not going to change now!"

And he's on the ticket promoting "Change"

[KingWulfgar]

Originally Posted by Sirius1963

I'm not sure if anybody else caught this during the VP debates, but Smokin Joe Biden made an interesting comment (I'm paraphrasing, go watch the debate if you want exact transcript) " I've been in congress thirty (whatever) years, I"m not going to change now!"

And he's on the ticket promoting "Change"

Yeah, in fact, he said that mere seconds after pumping his verbal fist for "change." Honestly, I can't believe what that guy gets away with saying. Incidentally, he was the first (in the VP debate) to call for renegotiating the principal of mortgages in default (which I also find ridiculous).

[KingWulfgar]

Originally Posted by KingWulfgar

Honestly, I don't know why I bother, but maybe someday some of this will get through to you. You claim to have supported Ron Paul and his ideals. Why don't you do yourself a favor? Buy his book "The Revolution: A Manifesto" and READ IT! It's only like $12 on Amazon.com. If you can't be bothered to read his book and keep spouting stuff that is completely opposite of what he says, you just make yourself look foolish when you continue to insist you support his beliefs.

Originally Posted by AZXD

That's some very good advice Etta ... You should read his book.

ETA: Here's a link - Amazon.com: The Revolution: A Manifesto: Ron Paul: Books

Originally Posted by ForTehNguyen

i read that book, it was amazing

Originally Posted by KingWulfgar

Well, the night passes with no sign of Etta in this thread. I can't say I'm surprised.

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

That is kev and etta's MO these days..."duck and cover" from any threads where their candidate is brought into serious question.

Frank

Originally Posted by AZXD

Chirp Chirp

Originally Posted by Krackels

Etta, how about this... if we chipped in and bought you the book would you read it?

You can even send it back (heck I'd like to read it).

Well, it's evening again and Etta has emerged from her daytime hideout.

Gonna dodge this one again or are you going to respond? I don't see how you can say you supported Ron Paul if you haven't read his book to see what he stands for. I don't see how you can support someone like Obama after reading the book. What are you going to do?

[KingWulfgar]

Another day passes with no response.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by KingWulfgar

Another day passes with no response.

Get used to it...that is their MO, especially lately.

"duck and cover".

Frank

[KingWulfgar]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

Get used to it...that is their MO, especially lately.

"duck and cover".

Frank

Well, I had high hopes for Etta. At this point, though, I don't believe she ever truly supported Ron Paul. If she did, she had no idea what he stood for and just got caught up in the hype (all the cool kids were doing it).

[mgeoffriau]

Heh, the other day I was speaking to someone who claimed to support both Ron Paul and Ralph Nader. I commented that I had a hard time imagining two candidates more polarly opposed. The lady said she didn't understand what I meant, she just liked someone who would challenge the status quo.

I guess it doesn't matter what we get, as long as it isn't Bush, right?

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by mgeoffriau

Heh, the other day I was speaking to someone who claimed to support both Ron Paul and Ralph Nader. I commented that I had a hard time imagining two candidates more polarly opposed. The lady said she didn't understand what I meant, she just liked someone who would challenge the status quo.

I guess it doesn't matter what we get, as long as it isn't Bush, right?

Or as long as it is wrapped in a promise for "change".

Frank

[Etta Place]

First of all, I normally don't come on this site during the day because I don't want to be on the Internet while I'm at work. The only time I can respond is after I get home. And, even then, I'm trying to make dinner, take care of my cat and do other stuff. So, I don't have time to read all of the responses and reply to questions.

Originally Posted by KingWulfgar

Where this whole system breaks down is the phony "wealth" that was created over the past 10 years by the housing bubble, easy credit, and wily investors milking the system.

Very good summary.

Originally Posted by KingWulfgar

Honestly, I don't know why I bother, but maybe someday some of this will get through to you. You claim to have supported Ron Paul and his ideals. Why don't you do yourself a favor? Buy his book "The Revolution: A Manifesto" and READ IT! It's only like $12 on Amazon.com. If you can't be bothered to read his book and keep spouting stuff that is completely opposite of what he says, you just make yourself look foolish when you continue to insist you support his beliefs.

I mainly supported Ron Paul because of his opposition to foreign military intervention.

I believe he is right on many of his economic views. I just am conflicted on government's role in domestic matters. I believe in a much smaller government. I just don't think it's going to happen. And, I see a role for government investment in things like infrastructure and education - mainly because I think it will improve our quality of life and increase our global competitiveness.

[Etta Place]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

That's basically what Reagan did back in the early 80's--cut taxes, deregulate, shrink bureaucracy, and let the economy recover on it's own with the american people leading the way. He also did not intervene much when the market crashed in '87.

Look what happened both times---massive recovery!

Frank

I don't remember it quite that way.