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Etta Place · 10-18-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTheEldest

You have a talent for diversion and setting up straw-man arguments. This isn't hard: get the government out of the way.

But, no, he's not--but as an advocate of libertarian policies and letting the free market work (as well as featuring real, intelligent economists who agree with this point of view), he's a damn sight closer to fixing our problems than Captain Socialist and his Ministry of Pacifying Platitudes.

I think the "free market" is a myth in the United States and has been from Day One. Government has always supported business.

**DanTheEldest** · 10-18-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Etta Place

I think the "free market" is a myth in the United States and has been from Day One. Government has always supported business.

Government has tolerated private business and encouraged it only as far as it recognizes the need for a tax base beyond personal income tax, and people need to have said incomes before they can be taxed. Government sees business as only the source of its revenue--nothing more. Government is incapable of generating wealth--it only confiscates it and redistributes it. We have one of the highest business-tax environments on the planet--why do you think we have so much outsourcing? (Hint: labor costs are a small part of the equation.) True government support of business is not taxing them and then redistributing that revenue to businesses to "help" as they see fit, but simply staying out of the way in the first place and allowing business to use their revenues for more capital expansion and to hire more employees.

I'm genuinely confused by people that believe that having money make an intermediate trip to Washington before used elsewhere is a good thing.

**AZXD** · 10-18-2008, 05:47 PM

I guess you won ... Dan

**mgeoffriau** · 10-18-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Etta Place

I think the "free market" is a myth in the United States and has been from Day One. Government has always supported business.

Ah, the old "free market is a myth" argument. Straight out of the Marxist playbook.

billbrasky · 10-18-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Etta Place

Is John Stossel an economist?

no but he is a brilliant journalist and a saint

**Spawnz** · 10-18-2008, 06:24 PM

"Once we get past the present emergency, which requires immediate new investments, we have to break that cycle of debt".

Yep......the new investments he is talking about are OUR savings. Give it away to all the irresponsible people who piss away their money to get THEM out of debt.

It is called..............."SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND".

I don't recall reading about how when Michelle Obama was ordering lobster, she was sharing it with any homeless people.

The Democratic elites want to redistribute OUR wealth. Their wealth, of course, is off limits.

FrankRizzoXD40 · 10-18-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Etta Place

Everyone talks about Obama's meeting with Joe the Plumber in Toledo, but Toledo was also the scene of a very comprehensive speech by Obama on the economy.

YouTube - Barack Obama on his Economic Rescue Plan for the Middle Class

Full Text: Barack Obama Economy Speech | Toledo, Ohio | October 13 : Clips & Comment

What is your opinion of this article? Why are you posting it?

Frank

**Frenchy** · 10-18-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AZXD

Ahh, I see the other thread was getting to you ... So you decided to start a new one to continue making your case for a socialist who obviously studied Marxism.

Cool!!!

All hail the Third World country of the United States as seen and promoted by Barack Obama.

You will soon be part of it!

**Powerman** · 10-18-2008, 10:24 PM

The trick for critical thinking is to use action to judge one by instead of words.

Show me his actions in the Senate. Show me where he has put any action behind these words.

You used to follow Paul. Prime example of walking his talk. Show me Obama's walk.

**AZXD** · 10-18-2008, 10:28 PM

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You will soon be part of it!

By no fault of my own

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Spawnz XDTalk 1K Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: OHIO Posts: 1,621	"Once we get past the present emergency, which requires immediate new investments, we have to break that cycle of debt". Yep......the new investments he is talking about are OUR savings. Give it away to all the irresponsible people who piss away their money to get THEM out of debt. It is called..............."SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND". I don't recall reading about how when Michelle Obama was ordering lobster, she was sharing it with any homeless people. The Democratic elites want to redistribute OUR wealth. Their wealth, of course, is off limits.
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