Settling once and for all that Obama is anti-gun

[FrankRizzoXD40]

A few "disciples of the messiah" here have been trying to make it appear that obama is not anti-gun or not as anti-gun and others here have claimed.

Instead of distracting and focusing on ONE proposed act (global poverty act), as KEVYWO did, why not look at the real obama record regarding guns?

Barack Obama on Gun Control

Democratic nomine for President; Junior Senator (IL)

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws


Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?

A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets. Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008



FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban

Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views." Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008





2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month

Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007

Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities

Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?

A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now. Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007


Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006



Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban

KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that's good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.

OBAMA: Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban. Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:

• Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
• Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
• Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998



Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

• Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
• Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
• Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
• Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
• Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices

Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005

There you have it. He's on record supporting the AWB, banning handguns, banning the sale of handguns, supporting the DC handgun ban, banning the MANUFACTURE of handguns, claiming that simply because the constitution grants a right doesn't mean that the government can constrain it regarding guns, etc...

Now let's hear again the arguements that obama is NOT anti-gun and would not seek to "grab-guns"....

Frank

[jabtay]

There are actually believe he is not anti-gun? we will just wait for him to take bidens berreta so biden will shoot him.

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Frank,

You cannot change people's opinions, if they don't own or care about gun rights. The rest of us already know Obama is a danger to our firearms.

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

Frank,

You cannot change people's opinions, if they don't own or care about gun rights. The rest of us already know Obama is a danger to our firearms.

I am not trying to change anyone's opinion.

I am interested in hearing the opposing opinions and the reasons why some think he is not anti-gun, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Some folks who own guns even think he is not anti-gun and I am interested in their reasoning.

Frank

[LUVMYSIGP225]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

Some folks who own guns even think he is not anti-gun and I am interested in their reasoning.

Frank

Good luck, my brother.

[robinsre]

Originally Posted by FrankRizzoXD40

I am not trying to change anyone's opinion.

I am interested in hearing the opposing opinions and the reasons why some think he is not anti-gun, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Some folks who own guns even think he is not anti-gun and I am interested in their reasoning.

Frank

Almost no one disputes that Obama is anti-gun anymore.

The common arguments I've heard when debating with Obamaniacs and Obambies is

1) It's not that big of an issue to in this election.
2) There are more important issues on the table.
3) He won't do anything about it anyway because the democrats know it's a losing issue.
4) The supreme court already ruled on it.
5) "I Don't Care About Guns"

[Loves2Shoot]

Originally Posted by LUVMYSIGP225

The rest of us already know Obama is a danger to our firearms.

...and the rest of our rights to stay free.

Taxes make us slaves to the government, and he is all for people who work hard to get ahead to make a good life for their families to be enslaved by a huge tax burden.

[jtkratzer]

The Obama spokesman is lying his ass off about Obama's stance on guns:
YouTube - Megyn Kelly grills Obama spokesman on NRA ads

[FrankRizzoXD40]

Obviously this will be a no-brainer to most here, but there are folks on this forum who own guns and highly value their rights under the 2A, but they are still going to vote for Obama.

I am interested in the reasoning behind this.

Is the reasoning that "it is better to sacrifice one right to gain politically in other ways"???

Frank

[lance22]

I have the right to free speech, but I cannot yell "fire" some people say.

But think of it this way, it is NOT illegal to yell "fire" if indeed the building has become an inferno. I have the right to free speech but the government should not take away that right because they fear that I may say something illegal; rather they should protect that right but if I use my right to to cause harm "yelling fire when there is no fire" then I should go to jail.

Same with the 2A. I have the right to keep and bear arms. They should not take away that right (they call it the exercise of the right but that's just semantics) because they fear I will break the law. I have the right but if I use it to cause harm (robbery, whatever) then I should go to jail.