Individualism vs. Collectivism

[Pharmakon]

Originally Posted by gsh341

You should watch this one next. It may change your mind about public education.

YouTube - Dismantle Public Education

That was a good one too. If anything reducing the topic down like this lets one look at the collectivist views that the republican party has begun to adopt over the years. Kind of makes the word "Republican" a misnomer in the sense that having a constitutional repblic is now a hardline issue of the Libertarian party.

Here's another good one about the definition of a republic vs a democracy: YouTube - The Political Spectrum Explained! (1/3) Libertarian Bob Barr 2008!

And one on gun control
YouTube - Gun Control

And the ever popular Social Security.
YouTube - How Social Security works

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by CrAz3D

I just finished the series. Wow.


I'm slight more pro-govt than just defense in that I believe education is progressive, would benefit everyone (and not a specific group) and that it should be a HUGE issue...but otherwise, those videos embody what I think.

Pledging Allegiance to the Planet

OAK PARK, IL - School children in this Chicago suburb not only pledge allegiance to the flag which, in the words of one teacher, "we do because it's required," but they pledge allegiance to the planet as well. The pledge goes like this:

"I pledge allegiance to the Earth, this unique blue-water planet, graced by life, our only home. I promise to respect all living things, and to protect to the best of my abilities all parts of our planet's environment, and to promote peace among the human family, with liberty and justice for all."

In a tongue-in-cheek commentary that appeared in the Sept.16 Chicago Tribune, columnist John Kass took the city of Oak Park to task for its political correctness, including the use of the pledge. He wrote: "It's possible that kids will confuse the two pledges, but isn't that the idea? Besides, we won't need sovereign nations in the new global village. We'll all ride bikes. Except for the Chinese. They'll drive tanks."

Pledging Allegiance to the Planet -- October 1998 Education Reporter

Yea, it's real ... It's Chicago ... Go figure!
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[AZXD]

The new, P.C.-ified Pledge of Allegiance

By Michelle Malkin • September 27, 2007 09:47 PM


The local and national press have more than adequately covered the moonbat student protest over the Pledge of Allegiance in Boulder, Colorado.

But in case you missed it, here is the P.C.-ified version of the pledge that the Boulder kids are now championing:

I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, part of one planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all.

Diversity worship? Check.
Enviro-worship? Check.
“Choice?” The kind that Planned Parenthood supports, no doubt, and not educational vouchers, I’m sure.
Michelle Malkin The new, P.C.-ified Pledge of Allegiance

[AZXD]

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

[Pharmakon]

Originally Posted by AZXD

The new, P.C.-ified Pledge of Allegiance

By Michelle Malkin • September 27, 2007 09:47 PM


The local and national press have more than adequately covered the moonbat student protest over the Pledge of Allegiance in Boulder, Colorado.

But in case you missed it, here is the P.C.-ified version of the pledge that the Boulder kids are now championing:

I pledge allegiance to the flag and my constitutional rights with which it comes. And to the diversity, in which our nation stands, one nation, part of one planet, with liberty, freedom, choice and justice for all.

Diversity worship? Check.
Enviro-worship? Check.
“Choice?” The kind that Planned Parenthood supports, no doubt, and not educational vouchers, I’m sure.
Michelle Malkin The new, P.C.-ified Pledge of Allegiance

That would be the exact day that I removed my child from said indoc camp and called my local news station and retained a good constitutional lawyer for a class action lawsuit. What a shame that we are going the way of the
fascist.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by Pharmakon

That would be the exact day that I removed my child from said indoc camp and called my local news station and retained a good constitutional lawyer for a class action lawsuit. What a shame that we are going the way of the
fascist.

Yep, and Obama IMO is planning on buying us all express tickets with our own money.

Have you ever read this ??
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

[Pharmakon]

Originally Posted by AZXD

Yep, and Obama IMO is planning on buying us all express tickets with our own money.

Have you ever read this ??
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

Oh yeah. You don't get very far in college without having this document as required reading. My sociology teacher actually spoke fondly of Karl Marx. Also subcribed to the notion that Blacks are immune from being racist since the definition of racism comes from a position of social power.

You got to love the redefinition of words away from the Latinate and into the political.

[OKMatt]

Did this thread just morph into an anti-government education thread?

[gsh341]

Originally Posted by OKMatt

Did this thread just morph into an anti-government education thread?

No, it just started discussing the inherent dangers of our current political situation in the US. We all believe that government is necessary, but we also agree that the government we have right now is not the proper realization of a republic.

I personally think that the US is getting overrun with politicians trying to do anything popular so they can get reelected and our government is too big and invasive.

[AZXD]

Originally Posted by gsh341

No, it just started discussing the inherent dangers of our current political situation in the US. We all believe that government is necessary, but we also agree that the government we have right now is not the proper realization of a republic.

I personally think that the US is getting overrun with politicians trying to do anything popular so they can get reelected and our government is too big and invasive.

I personally think you are right, and I feel the same way.